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Offline tanotrooper

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The Hellenistic World
« on: November 25, 2011, 00:40:22 »
Greetings!

I was playing around with the new parts from the Prehistoric set I've just bought and saw I could put another spear in the new spear, so:



This meant I had to make a Macedonian Phalangite to accompany the large weapon...







... which meant I had to make an Indian bowman as his adversary ...



... which meant I had now started a new theme for my custom figures. :lol:

The theme is the Hellenistic world, a period in history which began when the Macedonian armies defeated Greece (thereby ending the golden period of Classical Greece) and ended when they themselves were conquered by the armies of a citystate called Roma.

This period is symbolised however by one man, Alexander the Great. He was able to create a vast Macedonian empire on a very short period of time, defeating the might Persian empire and entering the (from European point of view) border of the world by entering India.

The period is also symbolised by the 'perfection' of an originally Greek fighting technique, the phalanx:



Whereas the Greek hoplites in Classical times fought with spears of about 2-3 meters length, the Macedonian Phalangites fought with the sarissa, a massive pike/spear measuring about 6 meters or longer. (I'll have to add another segment to my Phalangite to get the right length.) The sarissas (sarissae?) proved superior to the shorter Greek spears but would also become the downfall of the phalanx. (There are records of soldiers gripping the long weapons so that they would become useless.) The Roman century and it's armement would prove superior and was able to break through the phalanx.

The sides and back of the phalanx were vulnerable, so cavalry had to secure those parts. The troops in the front rows usually had the most armour, those in the back usually had none. Since the sarissa was so heavy, a counterweight was attached at the end so that it was easier to hold and handle. The sarissa was held with two hands, the shield (which was smaller than that of a Greek hoplite) was attached with straps to the arm.

The phalanx formation had gone extinct but returned in full glory on the European battlefields of the 15th-16th century until the pike was replaced by the musket.

The Indian bowman was based on this image:



When Alexander entered India, some tribes joined him while others opposed him (such as king Porus). India was a completely new world for the Macedonians and brought new ways of warfare, such as the use of war elephants (Yes, of course I'm going to make war elephants for this theme! :D ) The Egyptian theme will provide great parts for these Indian troops.


So that's it for now, I'm going to test if I can make the sarissa any longer and will then try to create a small phalanx.

Cheers,

Gaetano

P.S. These pictures were taken with my new cellphone. They looked better on my cellphone... :lol:
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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 01:20:04 »
very historically accurate customs Tanotrooper!! :love:
..very good idea with the new stone-age spear shafts!
(I was hoping to see more uses for them after adding them to my zulu shields)

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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 08:33:12 »
veeery clever!  :clap: :clap:

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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 16:15:34 »
Very nice custom TanoTrooper. :wow:
And I learnt something from the time period that I hadn't known before. :)

I am in the process of making my own Macedonian Phalanx,
But my soldiers will look quite different from yours.
I am trying to replicate different helmets for instance. (See Attached)
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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 16:45:10 »
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Magnificent, both the customs as the accompanying summary of Hellenistic warfare.
BTW do you know what made the roman warfare so great so they could counter the phalanx?

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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 19:06:23 »
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Magnificent, both the customs as the accompanying summary of Hellenistic warfare.
BTW do you know what made the roman warfare so great so they could counter the phalanx?

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Their use of reserves? ???
Actually I am quite intrigued by this if TT isn't. ;D
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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2011, 19:44:42 »
Their use of reserves? ???
Actually I am quite intrigued by this if TT isn't. ;D

It's a question I hoped TT might know, it could be the use of their specific shields in battle, Testudo formation or the wedge formation.
Probably a lot of facors made the roman army one of the best armies. I was just wondering.
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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 20:56:08 »
It's a question I hoped TT might know, it could be the use of their specific shields in battle, Testudo formation or the wedge formation.
Probably a lot of facors made the roman army one of the best armies. I was just wondering.


I'm not really sure how the Romans managed to get past the long spears of he phalanx, but once they got past them, they could easily cut down the Hoplites because the spears were very hard to maneuver around. :)
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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 21:43:29 »
I think a wedge formation followed by a large push with reserves would break nearly anything.
Their shields would also have been a massive advantage when they closed,
The Macedonian pikemen only carried very small shields,
and their swords were more like daggers.

Getting past the spear points would have been very difficult.
Since there were several rows with their spears down
the Romans wouldn't have to only get past the first row,
After they did they would have to deal with the pikes behind.

I know that in one battle the Romans retreated into hillier country
and the Macedonian Phalanx were broken up,
allowing the Romans to file into the gaps left in their lines
and attack the sides of the formation.
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Re: The Hellenistic World
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 21:53:53 »
Great historically accurate custom design using Playmobil parts :wow:! Well done :)9!
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