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Offline savvas

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Spanish in Caribbean
« on: May 21, 2011, 12:27:02 »
Hi everyone.
I saw last night the new pirates of caribbean. i am trying to build a caribbean theme of early 18th century. i want some information and suggestions. i noticed in the movie that spanish officers were in blue dark and soldiers in green. i want to now if that is right because a research in internet shows different results about soldiers. blue! i have seen the tv movies horatio hornblower, an english series, and they were wearing lbue-red. naturally the horatio tale is set a 100 years later. please if anyone knows something about it, post it here. thank you

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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2011, 20:51:31 »
Your project sounds very similar to the one I'm working on, though I'm flexing history a bit by including custom-figures from late 17th century till late 18th century  ;D

Early 18th century English (land)soldiers already wore red uniforms I think, French soldiers probably had white uniforms (the blue ones came with the French Revolution in 1789), but I'm not sure about Spanish soldiers... might be blue, might be green, yellow perhaps  ??? Certainly not pink though  ;D

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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 12:07:24 »
i am trying to create anything as real as it was at that time. the french should be this way

http://img268.imageshack.us/i/piratefrenchship.jpg/

and the english:

http://img715.imageshack.us/i/pirate7d.jpg/

i am still searching for dutch and spanish. till now should be: dutch (grey-blue), spanish (blue).

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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2011, 14:30:27 »
Early 18th century English (land)soldiers already wore red uniforms I think, French soldiers probably had white uniforms (the blue ones came with the French Revolution in 1789), but I'm not sure about Spanish soldiers... might be blue, might be green, yellow perhaps  ??? Certainly not pink though  ;D

You are right with white of the French soldiers. I have attached two pics of typical French soldiers around the French-Indian Wars. But about Spain, all I have discovered yet is that they were white, too. Similar to the next pic showing Spanish soldiers. I'm not certainly sure if this is true for colonial troops but for European Spanish regiments it holds. So let's come to a major difficulty for all these questions. The French were white, yes, but also blue and sometimes even red. The next pic for example shows two typical British "Redcoats" but the other soldier on that pic is very typical for British Caribean troops, too (I think it was Militia of St. Domingo district, but I have to check my references first). If you take all the trading companies into account (e.g. the british West-Idia-Company) then it really becomes hard! The British armed forces of the West India Company often were blue. Or have a look at the British naval forces, the typical British naval "Redcoat" is blue, too! (pics are limited so no more examples!)
i am still searching for dutch and spanish. till now should be: dutch (grey-blue), spanish (blue).

Dutch forces are a good example, there were so many different colorations and stylest hat you nearly can do whatever you want to do.

Please correct me in any point  for which you have better information!

But what I have not discovered yet is how portugueses personal looked like!

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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 20:50:48 »
I like your French pre-Revolution soldiers, Sir Pleaymo!  And their flag! :love:

I've also used the Northsea Captain's torso for mine, but gave them lightbrown/ultradarkyellow trousers to have a bit of colour difference beween torso and legs:




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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2011, 20:52:44 »
To differ from the French soldiers, I equipped my Spanish ones like this...

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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2011, 20:56:00 »
Some magnificent creations, everyone! Distinct enough to know there's a true difference! Well done! :clap:
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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2011, 21:14:40 »
beautiful customs everyone! :love: :clap: :love:
Enjoy the elegance and fun of 1900 with The Victorians photo story! :gent: ;D :sherlock:

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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2011, 21:37:10 »
love them all! But Hadoque's last proposition suits me best! Now I just need to go look for the hats...

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Re: Spanish in Caribbean
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 17:35:57 »
Jealous of all your regiments, men.   I only have 18th century british redcoats and slightly customized post-1789 french bluecoats, and three spanish conquistadors (from the lighthouse) which appear to be from earlier 16th or 17th century.

I did find a picture of 18th century SPANISH officer's uniform taken at the Royal British Columbia Museum.  It shows a Dark Blue top with red lapels.  It looks very similar to the Playmobil bluecoats often used as french.  However, the main difference is they have a white "scarf" frilly thing (sorry for my lack of technical term) around the neck, and frilly poet's shirt style sleeves that protrude from the cuffs, with red inner waistcoat.  Also, the Spanish coat covers the torso more fully, whereas French and British coats begin to part at the sternum and flare outward, exposing the inner waistcoats worn underneath.  The Spanish coats cover more fully.


a bit different than the movie:
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