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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2011, 14:06:01 »
right, I think that's why they never have produced one this large. But it would be great to have a ship that's really to a realistic scale.
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2011, 21:54:31 »
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Nice idea.  Have you tried to "bash" some  sections together with wood, or cardboard, to get a 3 dimensional view?
No. I’m not that skilled. (In fact, I suck.)
Andy R, that's really a great idea, indeed I was thinking about such things too for a while! I think even the "waterproof"-problem is not a real hard one (even if I have not included them in these pics, but if you are interested in my solution I can post them too.)
The only “problem” here is there are no hatches. ¿How are you going to access the below-deck areas without them? (And they need to be a bit bigger to let hands in.)
There is no apparent notch to insert the mast in, and no apparent support for the masts… The second part is a minor one, but there needs to be something to put the mast itself into…
You did, however, potentially figure out how to solve my buoyancy/stability problem in a most inventive way- I’m not sure if you meant to do so or not, but if you look at the hull section (the dark brown pieces in your rendering) you’ll notice that it is, in fact, two pieces connected along the keel- This would allow the Hell to be widened. The problem with my concept was that the hull was a fixed-beam, meaning the more decks you added the more top heavy she became, consequently the more likely she would be to capsize. By making the hull wider, this danger drops. There was a Danish ship who’s name I forget that capsized on her maiden voyage because some Danish king wanted a two-deck warship; It was determined that if her hull was 2 feet wider and draft 1½ feet deeper she would not have.
Either way, a Hell of a start, Sir Pleamo; Though there is no specific “tip of the hat” smiley, I offer one just the same.
Will each section have a mast? Or will there be the option of 2 sections? :) And I see you can make it wider as well (something you have already said? :-[ ).
The idea is that each section of hull has two guns, a mast between them, and a hatch forward of that.
A “section” is length, a “deck” is stories, to clarify. You have to have at least Ø2 sections, a bow and stern. You could have Ø1 deck (though it might look a bit funny).
Wow! But how big would such a ship be? :o
¿How big do you want? The idea here is to make her as big as you want- Even big enough (in theory) to make her into a catamaran for a REAL boat (as silly as that idea may be).
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2011, 22:02:13 »
right, I think that's why they never have produced one this large. But it would be great to have a ship that's really to a realistic scale.

I sure could do with 2-3 of these lovely ships  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2011, 22:07:06 »
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THere's another thread about an expandable ship:
I love the additional thought Andy has outlined, and Sir Pleamo's pics are spot-on awesome!  If only Playmobil would make it reality.
I missed that thread, but it is the basic concept I’ve outlined. You did add that the masts could be expanded as well. (I’d considered that possibility, but wanted to simplify things so that PM might actually move forward- My fear being the more molds they have to make, the less “supportive” they’ll be).
After studying this a little longer, I think I see a problem… The ship, with guns, is about 2 steck castle pieces tall! :o This will work great for in water, but what about on land? The ships will be fairly ridiculously tall... ???
It’s a mistake of perceived proportions. It’s not your fault. It’s the reason we’re working on building the blueprints.
The keel/bilge and lowest deck combined (assuming you built a Ø2-deck ship) would STILL not quite clear a castle wall (assuming it had parapets, that teeth- or block-like section at the top the defenders stand behind).
I sure could do with 2-3 of these lovely ships  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
I need a fleet of a dozen 1Ø-decker 12-sectionals. Forget how many one-section/one deckers I need. :lol::lol::lol:
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2011, 00:45:08 »
...It’s a mistake of perceived proportions. It’s not your fault. It’s the reason we’re working on building the blueprints.
The keel/bilge and lowest deck combined (assuming you built a Ø2-deck ship) would STILL not quite clear a castle wall (assuming it had parapets, that teeth- or block-like section at the top the defenders stand behind). ...

OH. :wow:
Well then I am all for it. ;D
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2011, 08:22:16 »
There was a Danish ship who’s name I forget that capsized on her maiden voyage because some Danish king wanted a two-deck warship; It was determined that if her hull was 2 feet wider and draft 1½ feet deeper she would not have.

That would be the dutch ship "Vasa."


If built to original spec it would have fared alright in the water, but the king wanted an additional gundeck.  The engineers were too scared to insult the king to protest and simply did what he asked even though they knew it would mean their doom.  As soon as it set sail it capsized.

Interesting side note: The "Flying Dutchman" in Pirates of the Caribbean II and III was based off the Vasa almost exactly to a T.  You can see the spot-on resemblence.  The Dutchman, however, does not capsize, hehe, probably because it DOESn't have REAL iron cannons on its topmost gundeck (they're fake hollywood cannons)

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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2011, 17:00:21 »
Well, the VASA does sound right, except I would swear that the one I refer to was found in the ‘9Ø’s. Of course, the ARTICLE was written in the ‘9Ø’s and I could be confused by that.

We’re still working on this little boat people, so ¡keep up the positive thoughts (and comments)!

EDIT: In the Poop Deck image you might think you see two ship’s wheels; That is NOT actually an optical delusion, most ships of that era actually did have two ships wheel. (Why exactly I do not know, but they did.)
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2011, 02:41:08 »
Taking a look again at your project, Andy, I do find it a little too big ...
(Specially in the bottom.)

It's a very interesting idea nevertheless!
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2011, 03:35:26 »
Taking a look again at your project, Andy, I do find it a little too big ...
(Specially in the bottom.)
It's a very interesting idea nevertheless!
So don’t add on sections and decks. Problem solved.;)
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Re: New Ship.
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2011, 05:16:14 »
This is a very well thought out idea and design, Andy! :)9
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