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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 21:22:11 »
Weither or not historically correct/accurate, I find this vessel very practical for set-ups "in coastal waters" (fishing, courrier,...) or in a "harbour" (loading/unloading bigger vessels) or for "assault-landings" in shallow waters.

Btw, also every Playmobil-schooner (or "sloop") except the first white one, comes with holes in the sails...
Like Playmofire says, it's to represent damage from cannonfire.

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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 23:23:26 »
I have this boat. I like it a lot and it looks awesome. The sail comes with the holes precut but you don't have to remove them. You can keep them in place.

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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2011, 11:24:41 »
I believe the closest real life counterpart to the 4444 would be an 18th century "gunboat."  (note, it is a "boat" not enough to be qualified as a true "ship" yet).  The 4444, like a real gunboat, has mounting spots for 3 cannons: 1 each facing starboard and port, and one facing forward at the bow of the boat.



On an 18th century gunboat, the cannons were mounted on sliding rails so the guns could recoil and then be slid back into firing position after quick reloading.  (which also means the guns' firing positions could not be adjusted left or right, only up and down, and depended on the orientation of the vessel in order to fire in the desired direction). There were also some small rail cannons that could be mounted as well. 

As you can see in the above pic, the guns are mounted in the same spots as they can be mounted on the 4444 toy.  These 1-masted vessels had no bowsprit, just like the 4444, and just one mast which most likely could be rigged with a lateen sail (like on the 4444), square-rigged, or could theoretically fly a gaff spanker combined with a small jib forward the mast.  In either case, these boats in real life, much like 4444 itself, were flat-bottomed and small, which means they were very manuverable around shallow waters and, when used as a fleet of gunboats, were very effective in patrolling ports and guarding bigger, slower ships against attack.

The similarities between the 4444 design and actual 18th century gunboats is uncanny, so I am inclined to believe these are indeed one in the same.

Just for fun, though, I retrofitted my 5901 (ghost version of the 4444) to include a bowsprit, and I completely redid the mast and spars so I could accommodate two jibs, a spanker, and a square sail, completely shedding the stock lateen sail altogether.  I belive the new British gunSHIP follows this rigging pattern (similar to the old playmobil sloop aka as "playmobil schooner" (which is technically incorrect) )
« Last Edit: February 12, 2011, 11:48:53 by BlackPearl2006 »
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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2011, 11:34:58 »
Atto this is really beautiful!!!!  :love: :love: :love: :love:

Fantastic work!!! I can imagine her sailing.....  :cloud9:

I love ships... I even served in the Navy... I wish I had you skill and patience to do something similar!!!

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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2011, 11:40:34 »
Atto this is really beautiful!!!!  :love: :love: :love: :love:

Fantastic work!!! I can imagine her sailing.....  :cloud9:

I love ships... I even served in the Navy... I wish I had you skill and patience to do something similar!!!

What folks like MacGayver and Emma do are true skill....they're cutting stuff up and adding stuff that isn't there.  Me, I'm just playing with a bunch of sticks and string, lol.  It's not that hard.  Just tedious.  I like working with modding the rigging and spars on these ships because they are "natural."  I used to customize/scratchbuild robot toys (like Transformers);  they're much harder to make convincing because you have to make them look like they were made in an automated machine factory.  I really like working with ships because it's ok if my strings and sticks look hand-made, since that's how the REAL ships look.  Even if I don't paint it perfectly, or even if I accidentally scuff a surface with my dremel and nick it up, it's ok, cuz the real ships have nicks and scuffs, and plenty of imperfections since they're always weathered and used.  And basically everything is mounted and tied together just like a real ship's rigging would be.  Just on a smaller scale.  It's not really skill, IMO.  Just a bunch of sticks and string, lol.  Anyone here can do it.  I wish I had skills like the others, including JIMBO who can even rebuild an entire hull from scratch!  THAT's skill!
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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2011, 12:20:54 »
Atto, thanks for the info! I know these are just toys and not supposed to have great historical accuracy, but when I see something that truly is accurate my interest spikes ;).
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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2011, 12:31:58 »
Those holes are silly. I think they were going to make a ghost pirate ship but changed their mind half way through the project.

oh, and they did make a ghost pirate ship with that mold (5901) same as the 4444, but darker plastic colours, and completely shredded sail (cloth, not that foam stuff) with no rigging, and with two ghost pirates.

And yeah, I do like that some PLaymobil stuff is actually historically-close to the real thing.  My latest historically-close fancy at the moment is the Spaniard LightHouse fortress....the ones that the Spaniards built in the Caribbean and in the Philippines look EXACTLY like the playmobil one, even the colours!  I love it!
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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2011, 12:34:20 »
The problem with this accuracy thing is that I end up "getting ideas" .
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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2011, 18:29:26 »
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Atto, thanks for the info! I know these are just toys and not supposed to have great historical accuracy, but when I see something that truly is accurate my interest spikes

Well PrimusPilus, Playmobil isn't just a toy. The historical accuracy of it is one of it's best benefits. I don't believe that there have been ever an item producted without been searched first it's historical accuracy.
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Re: speaking of pirate ships and cannons...
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2011, 23:09:46 »
I would say Dragon Land is kind of historically inaccurate.
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