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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 17:20:24 »
I rebuilt one of my 4444’s as a “Revenue Cutter” (in the US one of the prececessor agencies to the US Coast Guard was the Revenue Cutter Service) who’s main missions are smuggling and Search and Rescue, and the other as a fishing ketch.

Anyways… The basic concept is fine, but one thing I REALLY HATE about the entire series so far is the sails. I don’t mind the Dhow-style sails (the triangular type), but that they are tattered and ragged makes my insane- Completely nuts. If I get one of these, that first thing I’m doing is throwing the sails away. They’re worthless.
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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2010, 18:38:03 »
A very nice review, Martin.  I like the shots afloat.

Neither has a bowsprit it seems.  Am I right?
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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2010, 20:19:14 »
A very nice review, Martin.  I like the shots afloat.

Neither has a bowsprit it seems.  Am I right?

Yes curious...It seems it was designed to have one, as the 4444, but they never made one, did they?

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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2010, 20:52:52 »
Thanks for the review and pics! Love this one. Maybe I'll be myself one, if it ever is available here.

I was wondering about the bowsprit too. The front end looks a bit unfinished now.
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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 00:19:52 »
Great review Martin. :)

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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2010, 02:05:29 »
wonderful review martin, thank you very much.  :wow:
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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2010, 04:33:21 »
Nice review, Martin.

Great little ship....I see it does not have any rigging though :hmm:

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No rigging, but the 4444 only has three short pieces of rigging, one attached to the sail and two to  secure the spar either to the left or the right. You could easily replace the spar ones, but the corner of the sail to which the 4444 rigging is attached is not present on this ragged sail.

Like this, but does the sail seem a little small for it, or is it just the camera angle?
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I agree the sail is a little small for the hull, but I think that's the case for most of the Playmobil ships. I fall back on the phrase "Plamobil represents, it does not recreate".

I rebuilt one of my 4444’s as a “Revenue Cutter” (in the US one of the prececessor agencies to the US Coast Guard was the Revenue Cutter Service) who’s main missions are smuggling and Search and Rescue, and the other as a fishing ketch.

Anyways… The basic concept is fine, but one thing I REALLY HATE about the entire series so far is the sails. I don’t mind the Dhow-style sails (the triangular type), but that they are tattered and ragged makes my insane- Completely nuts. If I get one of these, that first thing I’m doing is throwing the sails away. They’re worthless.

Those sound like great ideas, I'd love to see some pictures of your adaptions.

Agreed the ragged sail on 4444 is a pain.

Playmobil have started using ragged sails in all sorts of inappropriate places. No ship's captain would allow his sails to remain ragged for long after a battle, because a small hole soon rips to become a big split, and without intact sails you can't steer or move the ship and become easy pickings for any enemy. Bar and chainshot were specifically designed to be fired at the rigging, masts and sails, to disable a ship by destroying its motive power, rendering it a floating hulk which can be attacked from safe angle (i.e. where its guns won't bear) or left alone.

The only excue for ragged sails is lack of material to repair them, which should only occur on a raft.

I usually replace ragged-style sails with intact sails from similar material cut to size. Gordon sent me a bunch of suitable material which made the 5000 mile trip from the UK to Oregon for this purpose. You need something fabric but with a degree of stiffness to hold its shape.

I don't mind ragged sails on the ghost ships, as they move by spooky-power and don't need sails at all.  ;D

Neither has a bowsprit it seems.  Am I right?

Yup, no bowsprit. there's a hole there, but I think that's for putting a string through and towing it along. They may have plans for a bowsprit for a future version, but you'd want to adjust the sails to include a jib or there's no need for a bowsprit.

There are four so far unused attachment points on the outside of the hull, two before and two aft of the mast, and Playmobil may have plans to use these in a future set. They might be used as attachment points for standing rigging.

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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2010, 05:28:46 »
Those sound like great ideas, I'd love to see some pictures of your adaptions.
Uh, ya, sure. I’ll get my camera and take some pics (and even send you a pm when they get up ;)).
Agreed the ragged sail on 4444 is a pain.
Playmobil have started using ragged sails in all sorts of inappropriate places. No ship's captain would allow his sails to remain ragged for long after a battle, because a small hole soon rips to become a big split, and without intact sails you can't steer or move the ship and become easy pickings for any enemy. Bar and chainshot were specifically designed to be fired at the rigging, masts and sails, to disable a ship by destroying its motive power, rendering it a floating hulk which can be attacked from safe angle (i.e. where its guns won't bear) or left alone.
(!)VERY GOOD! Yes, chain shot was actually for rigging and sail, bar shot seems to have been experimental anti-mast round, but apparently was replaced by chain shot entirely somewhere between the American Revolutionary War (1775-1783) and French Revolutionary War (1789-1799).
But at any rate, any rent no matter how slight would at very least have been stitched shut as soon as the shooting (or more often wailing winds) stopped for exactly that reason. There’s even this book I have in my collection, “Arts Of The Sailor; Knotting, Splicing, and Ropework” by Hervey Garrett SMITH that gave a very simple how-to on repairing sails (so simple in fact, that a “land-lubber” could follow it). So it just perplexes me that they’d opt to create sails like that…
The only excue for ragged sails is lack of material to repair them, which should only occur on a raft.
Too true.
I usually replace ragged-style sails with intact sails from similar material cut to size. Gordon sent me a bunch of suitable material which made the 5000 mile trip from the UK to Oregon for this purpose. You need something fabric but with a degree of stiffness to hold its shape.
I’ve actually taken to making some of my sails myself, though since I’m doing so anyways I might as well make the sails I want…
I don't mind ragged sails on the ghost ships, as they move by spooky-power and don't need sails at all.  ;D
Oh… that, I had not considered…
Nah. I want real sails.
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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2010, 07:49:51 »
I don't mind ragged sails on the ghost ships, as they move by spooky-power and don't need sails at all.  ;D

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Re: 5901 small Ghost Ship
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2010, 08:04:27 »
Thanks for the review, Martin!  Nice pictures too.  This looks like a good set, but I already have 4 4444s, so I'll probably pass on it.
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