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Offline Sylvia

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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2006, 15:54:58 »
I'm beginning to wonder if we have enough members willing to enter a competition of this type on a regular basis, in order to make this whole thing work. Maybe we should wait a bit longer? :-\

I certainly don't want to dampen anyone's enthusiasm for submitting photos to the forum, but I would like to hear how many members really have the time or the will to take part in a competition each month, if we do decide to go ahead with this.

I'm still very keen to show photos by the members on PF's home page, regardless of whether we do or don't go ahead with a regular competition format, so I will have a closer look at how that can be done when I get enough time. :)

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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2006, 17:07:13 »
Sylvia makes a good point. There are very few active member here and there have been a lot of rather drastic forum changes since David, Meg, Sylvia, and I founded this forum (with Beth as Our 1st moderator.) There was a lot of initial enthusiam for the forum as planned, but much less now for the forum as is. Just take a look at what's happened on the New Year's Token project. :(

Still, perhaps those of you who have worked so hard on this idea should see if Sylvia will let you give it go anyway. As a founder of this forum and ex-moderator (along with Meg, Beth, and David) I wish you the best of luck.
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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2006, 21:39:00 »
Well I know from experience the best I do is perhaps 5 or 6 entries a year. It does take a fairly big group of active photographers to keep something like that going. It seems like at least half the posters in that other contest are actually from Playmo-Portal and don't post much there otherwise.

If there is interest in moving forward we might look at going seasonal? Perhaps four contests the first year - Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter. Between them there should be some nice material that might be used for a calendar - and such a broad theme as a season would allow for just about any Playmo content. e.g. knights in winter, playing in the snow, modern city in winter, fire response in winter with the hose spray icing over, etc.

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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2006, 22:03:47 »
Hello  All  :)

The main thing that needs to be considered is wether at this point in time Playmofriends would benefit from a monthly competition. My opinion is that currently we don't have enough members to warrant it. Apart from that one of my main concerns is that if we run a monthly competition we would be following the same path as Playmoboard and other forums. Is it going to be possible for us to avoid the same mistakes that they made along the way ?
This is just my take on the situation but i think we need to try something no other forum has tried before. We need to do something that gets beginners involved not just the experts. Maybe we could have a competition that rewards people for trying not just striving to be the best  :)9. At the end of the day i come here to have fun, relax and enjoy my hobby with friends :). I don't come here to compete with them to find out who is the best at taking pictures or making custom's :lol:. This is my own personal choice and no offence intended but we are having a regular monthly contest i will certainly not be taking part, voting or otherwise  :).
On a final note i have more enthusiasm for Playmofriends than ever before and i believe that this board has the potential to go far. It certainly has exceeded my expectations in the months since it started. I have to say having looked back at the proposal that i dont think things have changed that drastically :)9. Infact Playmofriends just keeps getting better.

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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2006, 00:36:16 »
Here is my  :2c:

First, it seems that a contest now may suffer from too few entries each month. We had the same thing at the Yahoo group and the competition suffered as a result. Over time, people seemed to be even less interested in it. Perhaps for now we should just encourage people to post photos they want to share, without having the framework of an official "contest." For those who sometimes need additional motivation, such as myself, perhaps a monthly theme would work, but simply as a form of inspiration. We could encourage people who have an image that meets the theme to post in a a "theme thread" in the gallery - not with the aim of competing, but simply to share what we've done and get feedback from others.

Second, I have been very interested in the digitally enhanced vs. non-digitally enhanced debate. I very much enjoy adding digital enhancements to my photos. Perhaps it is a reaction to the fact that I am most certainly NOT permitted to do so at work! It is a dismissable offense. There are certain effects that are very difficult to reproduce without digital editing software, and to me it is a matter of personal preference. I think my pictures look better when I get through with them - but those are MY pictures. I have a vision for almost every Playmobil photo I work on, and it starts with the basic image and goes through adding backgrounds, effects, etc. Everyone has their own vision (based on talent, ability, time, resources, etc.) and everyone's vision for their own work is equally valid. I have seen some fantastic digitally enhanced photos, as well as some non-enhanced photos that have left me speechless.

If this debate ever moves beyond that and to an actual contest, I think DD's rules are an excellent starting point. As far as determining whether or not a given image has been enhanced, I am including the guidelines we use at my work, for a major international news agency. Hopefully they can be of some help in defining the terms of the debate.

"The content of a photograph must not be altered in PhotoShop or by any other means. No element should be digitally added to or subtracted from any photograph. The faces or identities of individuals must not be obscured by PhotoShop or any other editing tool. Only retouching or the use of the
cloning tool to eliminate dust and scratches are acceptable.

Minor adjustments in PhotoShop are acceptable. These include cropping, dodging and burning, conversion into grayscale, and normal toning and color
adjustments that should be limited to those minimally necessary for clear and accurate reproduction (analogous to the burning and dodging often used in darkroom processing of images) and that restore the authentic nature of the photograph. Changes in density, contrast, color and saturation levels that substantially alter the original scene are not acceptable. Backgrounds should not be digitally blurred or eliminated by burning down or by
aggressive toning."
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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2006, 01:35:39 »
"The content of a photograph must not be altered in PhotoShop or by any other means. No element should be digitally added to or subtracted from any photograph. The faces or identities of individuals must not be obscured by PhotoShop or any other editing tool. Only retouching or the use of the
cloning tool to eliminate dust and scratches are acceptable.

Minor adjustments in PhotoShop are acceptable. These include cropping, dodging and burning, conversion into grayscale, and normal toning and color
adjustments that should be limited to those minimally necessary for clear and accurate reproduction (analogous to the burning and dodging often used in darkroom processing of images) and that restore the authentic nature of the photograph. Changes in density, contrast, color and saturation levels that substantially alter the original scene are not acceptable. Backgrounds should not be digitally blurred or eliminated by burning down or by
aggressive toning."

This part I wholeheartedly agree with, having done actual darkroom work.  I can appreciate digital darkroom enhancement just as much as the physical darkroom enhancements.
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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2006, 09:02:46 »
Ok, thanks for the replies. As I understand, we have a nice set of basic rules now that could be used if we would eventually organize a contest.

Now, from the last remarks I received a lot valuable feedback why it would be better not to organize a contest: not enough participants, doing the same as other boards, possible argues, not wanting to compete with other playmofriends, etc.

So maybe it's time to bring the 'frontpage-random-rotation-scheme' idea back under your attention  :yup:

Main idea is to have your art work displayed randomly on the playmofriends' homepage (which is rather empty now). Nobody wins - nobody loses (no competition whatsoever)  0). We could have two windows: one that points to the 'Customs & Conversions' sub forum and one that links to the 'Film & Photography sub forum', just with a remark: 'Visit our <.....> section for more art work'. The pictures in the windows can be displayed randomly every time you visit the web site or continously when being on the homepage...

From my experience, when I visited the playmoboard web site last year for the very first time, I was overwhelmed by the pictures I saw on the homepage. I didn't knew that there was a community that was customizing PM and made nice diorama's. So in my opinion it's more important to display art work than having a contest  ;)

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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2006, 17:39:59 »
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So maybe it's time to bring the 'frontpage-random-rotation-scheme' idea back under your attention 

Main idea is to have your art work displayed randomly on the playmofriends' homepage (which is rather empty now). Nobody wins - nobody loses (no competition whatsoever)  . We could have two windows: one that points to the 'Customs & Conversions' sub forum and one that links to the 'Film & Photography sub forum', just with a remark: 'Visit our <.....> section for more art work'. The pictures in the windows can be displayed randomly every time you visit the web site or continously when being on the homepage...

I have to admit i am not familiar with the front page as it is at the moment because i stay logged in and have my home page set to the forum. However i think this is a very good idea and it might encourage some new members to join especially if they can see a sample of some of the work contained in the main site. I really do think we should look at implementing this. What do the Co-Founders think ?

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So in my opinion it's more important to display art work than having a contest 
I totally agree with this philosophy :)9

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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #68 on: January 26, 2006, 18:31:38 »
Well, my understanding of this board was that it was a "for the klickies, by the klickies" (just paraphrasing here  ;) ).  I personally love the idea of people just submitting their pics, no contest, no competition, just a fun display.  I also agree that it would be a good draw for the site.

As I recall, earlier in this thread, someone provided the PHP coding to make this a possibility.  So if everyone agrees that this would be a good thing, then as a member's site, let's go for it!
« Last Edit: January 26, 2006, 18:41:53 by Serenity »
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Re: Photo Competition ???
« Reply #69 on: January 26, 2006, 19:59:56 »
I think it's a great idea to do the front page project.  My only concern would be if it would significantly increase bandwidth usage. Pics take quite a bit more than a text page does.