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Offline Martin Milner

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American Children & Knights
« on: February 18, 2009, 12:50:30 »
Can any American parents tell me why American children should show any interest in the Knights theme?

In Europe we had these guys running around for several hundred years, and in the UK you can barely throw a rock without hitting a castle or a battlefield site, but the same isn't true of American soil.

Where does the interest come from? Is it taught in History class, is it via TV, film and video games, or is it just that knights are the very essence of coolness?


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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 14:43:22 »
Well for one Martin most of us here are not Native Americans  ;)
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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 14:44:33 »
I remember some of my first toys were Knights, and of course we made wooden swords and shields to "bash" each other.  This would be late '40s, early '50s. We didn't get TV 
in the valley until I was a teenager.

I think the first Playmobil I got was from the Knight theme, so maybe Knights are just
cool 8-).

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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 15:05:45 »
Can any American parents tell me why American children should show any interest in the Knights theme?

In Europe we had these guys running around for several hundred years, and in the UK you can barely throw a rock without hitting a castle or a battlefield site, but the same isn't true of American soil.

Where does the interest come from? Is it taught in History class, is it via TV, film and video games, or is it just that knights are the very essence of coolness?


This question could probably be well and fully answered in 6 or 7 volumes.  ;D   Briefly, though, as Rasputin suggests, most "Americans" are of European descent.   The "Knights theme" runs all through our popular culture (one of my favorites as an example: the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.)   Another way to answer your question is with another question:  "Why is the "Western" (i.e. "Cowboys and Indians") theme so popular in Europe?"   :)


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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 16:11:12 »
Well for one Martin most of us here are not Native Americans  ;)

Well said Ras! My heritage is English, Scottish, & Shawnee Indian! I myself was always fascinated with the formidable ornate designs of the Knights armor suits, & beautiful castles! Indianna brought to light an interesting question also, why is the European population so attracted to the Cowboys vs. Indians, & South vs. North war that they became popular Playmobil themes world wide, could it be for the same reasons  ????
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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 19:51:38 »
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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 06:51:10 »
Can any American parents tell me why American children should show any interest in the Knights theme?

In Europe we had these guys running around for several hundred years, and in the UK you can barely throw a rock without hitting a castle or a battlefield site, but the same isn't true of American soil.

Where does the interest come from? Is it taught in History class, is it via TV, film and video games, or is it just that knights are the very essence of coolness?

Hm, good question. Maybe because people have the same roots? (Maybe because Hollywood -- in the US -- is making big and impressive knight movies?) I think for sure it is because knights are cool  8-)

So another good question might be: why are Europeans are interested in the American Civil war or American Indians and Cowboys  ;) (I think those type of guys hadn't be running around here in Germany on those days)

Or samurais might also be a good example.

As you said: I think all have in common that they are cool.
 

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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 19:35:58 »
Well for one Martin most of us here are not Native Americans  ;)

This I knew already, did my question suggest otherwise?  :hmm:

So, given that a large proportion of US citizens come from European stock, is it a matter of personal history taught from father to son, or is it taught in schools?

Over on Playmoboard I got a lot of very good and enlightening answers.

Regarding the Western theme being popular in Europe, right now it isn't, and I think the lack of anything other than accessory items in the theme reflects that. When I was a kid we saw a lot of western films and TV series, but now I can't think of one being shown on TV in months, so really it was the Hollywood influence.

My mother has films of my 5th birthday party, and I'm pretty sure a few of my contemporaries were dressed as Cowboys or Indians - I wonder what a 5 year old would choose for a costume party today?
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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 19:48:22 »
Power Rangers, Batman, Spiderman, Superman to name just a few are the current fads. But as for the Lone Ranger, Tonto, & The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly, well let's just say, they're not so high on the want list now days! With that being said, is the influence by the knight theme, romans, etc. because of parents buying them to fulfill their child hood dreams through their children? Maybe the children of today don't originally ask for these themes, but parents buy them as an influence, & soon the parents justify an army or legions because Johnny seems to like it, but actually it's daddy!
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Re: American Children & Knights
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 22:10:43 »
So, given that a large proportion of US citizens come from European stock, is it a matter of personal history taught from father to son, or is it taught in schools?

In "western culture" an over-arching theme is the heroic quest that "good" undertakes to overcome "evil."  The "knights" theme is just one genre in which that story is told.  In the U.S.A. we pass it to our children with bedtime stories, toys, books, movies, TV shows, games, etc. in which the gallant knight is a common character.  And, yes, European history is indeed taught in our schools (though more often at the "post-playmo" age level.) 

That same good-versus-evil story (though which side is good, which evil?) runs through other genres as well.  "Cowboys and Indians" and "North versus South" (U.S. Civil war) are uniquely "American" themes yet they appear to be of great interest to folks from other places, too.  There are many interconnections between these genres.  For example, the stories of Cowboys and Knights have many similarities - there was even one old western TV show here in the states called "Have Gun, Will Travel."  The main character was a hired gun who only killed bad guys.  His name was Paladin (an ancient French knight) and his business card featured a picture of a chess knight.  His theme song, in part, went:  "'have gun, will travel' reads the card of the man, a knight without armor in a savage land."

In another example of genre interconnections, there is a school of thought that the book "Ivanhoe" by Sir Walter Scott (a tale of knights in the time of the crusades, Richard the Lion-Hearted, and Robin Hood which was published in the early 19th century) was actually a major factor leading to the American Civil War.  The book was extremely popular in the American South and may have reinforced the feudal philosophy of slave-holding plantation owners.  Mark Twain felt this was so and called this way of thinking the "Scott disease."  "Ivanhoe" on its own terms is a spanking good story and I am sure Sir Walter Scott did not set out to cause this kind of trouble - I just think it is a fascinating historical connection.

How about "Star Wars?"  Is it science fiction or is it a Knight's Tale?  Or maybe a Western?

Here in the states, we also tell our children stories about Aladdin and the Magic Lamp, Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves, 1001 Arabian Nights and countless other tales of the East and elsewhere. 

Bottom line is that everybody loves a good story with lots of adventures and exciting details about far off places or times and Playmobil has been clever enough to capitalize on that fact.   :yup:

Over on Playmoboard I got a lot of very good and enlightening answers.
Also got a bit snarky, though, wouldn't you say? 
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