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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2009, 17:04:10 »
Lets take a closer look at the
CHRONOLOGY

(from around) 3000 bC, Egyptians
from 800 bC to 400 aD, Romans
*Merpeople
aD 700 to 900, Vikings
*Dragons
from aD 500 (around), Middle Ages [the Middle Ages are conventioned as from the fall of Rome, aD 476, to the fall of Constantinople, aD 1453]
(part of Middle ages) aD 1000, "Arabian nights" + Crusaders
*Fairies
(looks like) around aD 1500 to 1700, Fairy Tale Castle
*Bunnies
from aD 1400 to 1600, Spanish Sailors
*Ghost Pirates
from 1700 to 1800, 1820 (Napoleonic wars), Pirates
from (around) 1800 to 1900 Western
Victorian Era, from 1850 to 1920



So, I think I placed wrong the Fairy Tale Castle ... It should come after the Spanish Sailors. They do have a XVIIth century looks. There was no fluffy dresses before the 1400s that I can spot in the books ...


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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2009, 17:24:45 »
.... I agree with the Blue Wizard: there's a problem of taking collections out of line, for .. what reason exactly? Where are the Vikings? Where's the 1900? We all miss them, and I'm sure kids that keep coming would like them a lot. ...

I'm afraid that the answer is rather down to earth, boring and sobering. It's a question of production-capacity and money. Geobra can only produce a certain amount of sets at one time. In other words new sets in means old sets out. It would be very dangerous for Geobra indeed if they would continue to produce all the sets...
As a hopefull note in the side-line. They don't throw out any mold; but keep them aside for possible future use. As can be seen in the re-use of the Katana in the Ghost-pirates.

... I can't be sure about gB NOT having made any sort of agreement with Hollywood. Maybe they didn't, and got smart, but they've been following the cinema, in a non official way (unlike Lego, which produces themes namely ... Star Wars, Indiana Jones), Playmobil has been making material for kids to play LordoftheRings-Eragon-otherdragons, and PiratesoftheCaribbean. That's wonderful for kids & for Playmobil, and -- in my opinion -- for the playmobil world. ...

Geobra doesn't do licensing Just as part of their business principles.
On the other side; Playmobil is meant for 3 - 8 year old kids. I'm afraid that all the movies you mentioned are 10+ at least ... now that would be odd  ;)

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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2009, 17:05:30 »
On the other side; Playmobil is meant for 3 - 8 year old kids. I'm afraid that all the movies you mentioned are 10+ at least ... now that would be odd  ;)

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3-8? Where are you getting that from, Bogro?

When an upper range has been specified, I always thought it was 12. Most boxes these days just say 4+. The world cup footballers from last year say 5+, maybe because of the stickers, maybe the kicking leg. I'm not seeing 8 as a maximum age anywhere.   

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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2009, 05:31:14 »
I think we are the proof in the pudding that a max age range for Playmo does not apply.....start playing when you can keep the little pieces out of your mouth and stop when yer bones turn to dirt.  :P  I think they know this by now and are trying to crank out items that might please us all to some degree.

I am happy for Playmobil to do a huge variety of history, fantasy, modern and anything else they can cook up, as long as it is well made.  I even like the creepy bunnies. :yup:  I think the greatest play value can come from the creative inter-play of all the themes smooshed together for children, that is where new original stories can be born. 

It seems that the downside to the Historical theme is in maintaining enough accuracy to keep it historical within the format of simplistic stylization that is the hallmark of Playmobil.  Historic theme buffs love to grouse about how they messed up a helmet here or got the armor or heraldry wrong there.  I think it's fun to listen to you guys meet it all out, but personally I am just glad that they are atleast attempting to accommodate our grown-up desires for these themes to be produced in the first place.   I am certainly no strict history buff.....I just think klickies are cute. :lol:

  The downside of the Modern theme is the out-datedness that can happen in our trend centered world.  Styles of furniture and dress come and go.....but then again that allows them to continually update the Modern theme and for us to have a wide spectrum bits and pieces to fiddle with. 

  The disadvantage to Fantasy as I noticed recently in a post on another board that shall remain nameless, is that some might mistake what is considered pure fantasy or attempts at creative science fiction, such as the new dragon or old magic sets.......to be something sinister that goes against their religious world view.  One poster there commented that the new Dragon insignia looks satanic....and used adjectives like wicked, and evil, afraid that perhaps it might turn a child into a psychopath to play with such items.  It's plain to me that what could be seen as satanic is actually a stylized dragon head.   I feel for the designers at Geobra when they have to tread the thin line of trying out something new and possibly edgy and still not offend the sensibilities of folks who might equate dragons, druids, ghosts, fairies and such as demonic and sure to lead children astray from goodness.   :hmm:  And I also hope I am not offending anybody's sensibilities here by saying as much. ::) :-[ :)
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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2009, 08:41:20 »
3-8? Where are you getting that from, Bogro?

I thought that it was on the boxes; but I am not too sure now. I might easily be mistaken - in that case: SORRY !!!

...  Historic theme buffs love to grouse about how they messed up a helmet here or got the armor or heraldry wrong there.  I think it's fun to listen to you guys meet it all out, but personally I am just glad that they are at least attempting to accommodate our grown-up desires for these themes to be produced in the first place.   I am certainly no strict history buff.....I just think klickies are cute. :lol:

Actually - I love to talk history. Each time there's a discussion, I look up things and read the comments of others and in the end I've learned a bit more. When it comes down to it; I love to rant History but am not that precise in my play  ;)

BTW - I think we're both on the same wave length here  0)

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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2009, 11:38:14 »
I thought that it was on the boxes; but I am not too sure now. I might easily be mistaken - in that case: SORRY !!!

The boxes have always only had Ab 4 Jahre on them. No upper range on any of my boxes - neither old or new.

Bogro, you may think of LEGO boxes, which, in most cases, specify an age range.
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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2009, 12:22:28 »
The boxes have always only had Ab 4 Jahre on them. No upper range on any of my boxes - neither old or new.

Bogro, you may think of LEGO boxes, which, in most cases, specify an age range.

I have been wrong then - my apologies. I thought I had seen it somewhere.
As to the L*** - boxes - the Danish Product - I keep a clean house and these are definitly banned from my house  >:D ... (not that wife nor my kids adhere to it  :love:) so there's no chance my mind being polluted that way !  ;D

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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2009, 01:34:35 »
 8} if you read the reviews and comments made in amazon.com about the security check point set - http://www.amazon.com/Playmobil-3172-Security-Check-Point/review/product/B0002CYTL2/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 - aybe you can see that there are also problems with reality, besides history & fantasy.

 :hmm: apparently this story is "severe" enough to show in a new your times article - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/business/media/16playmobil.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=playmobil&st=cse - with an incredible title - "Playmobil Finds Fun in the Police State".

 :wow: tom, from klickywelt.de, originally found out these strange news yesterday.

 :P things aren't looking good for playmobil's current design trends...
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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2009, 01:51:47 »
this is the new york times article, just in case it looses its link...

"Playmobil Finds Fun in the Police State
By ANDREW ADAM NEWMAN

Published: February 15, 2009
Playmobil toys depict real-life settings, and not always cheery ones, like a police station, hospital and animal clinic. But one, the Security Check Point, took that philosophy too far for some parents.

The set — which includes armed airport security officers, a metal detector and an X-ray screening machine — has drawn nearly 50 biting customer reviews, and scores of comments to those reviews, on Amazon.com.

“I applaud Playmobil for attempting to provide us with the tools we need to teach our children to unquestioningly obey the commands of the State Security Apparatus,” wrote one Amazon reviewer pseudonymously. “But unfortunately, this product falls short of doing that. There’s no brown figure for little Josh to profile, taser, and detain?”

The popular blogs BoingBoing and Jezebel are among hundreds to recently feature the product, which was made from 2003 until 2007 and is still available from many retailers.

Michelle Winfrey, marketing manager for Playmobil U.S.A., said the company, which is based in Germany, has never drawn so much ridicule.

“For whatever reason — maybe it was just the timing — that truly is the one item that people harped on,” said Ms. Winfrey, adding that the company’s decision to stop producing it was not because of criticism but rather consistent with its habit of doing limited runs for toys.

“The whole premise behind Playmobil toys is to familiarize the child with the realities of life through play,” Ms. Winfrey said. “If you’re taking a child for a first flight to Florida from New Jersey to visit grandparents, you say, ‘This is what the terminal looks like, and when we get here we have to take our shoes off and walk though security.”

Greg Allen, who wrote about Playmobil’s checkpoint toy on his parenting blog, Daddy Types, said the company has a “strong empirical tone” rather than an ideological one.

“It’s however you want your kid to see the world,” said Mr. Allen, whose daughter’s favorite Playmobil toy, a portable toilet, also has been discontinued. “With a security checkpoint, it can be, ‘This is what we’ll see on the way to see Grandma,’ or, ‘This is the dysfunction of the security state.’ You can make of it what you want.”

On his Web humor site Banterist, Brian Sack, author of “In the Event of My Untimely Demise,” has over the last two years photographed a series of “Playmobil Re-Enactments” of news events. One of his first depictions — in late 2006 — was of a woman who inexplicably put her 1-month-old grandson through the X-ray machine at the Los Angeles airport, and for this purpose Mr. Sack purchased the Security Check Point.

“When you think about toys, the last thing you’d think someone would create is the most miserable traveling experience you could have,” said Mr. Sack, who shares his Playmobil collection with his sons, ages 2 and 4 (and who confirmed that the traveler’s shoes in the set are not removable). “It’s like having a tax collector toy — for my first audit.”

Craig Berman, a spokesman for Amazon, said that the company occasionally removes customer reviews for being profane, but not for being facetious. Those interested in the airport security play set might also enjoy another toy on Amazon, the Playmobil Police Checkpoint, a roadblock scene with armed officers, pylons and warning lights.

“As an adjunct to this product,” Christopher Barber wrote in Amazon’s customer review section, “I would also recommend that you purchase the Playmobil Armed Standoff Playset, Fisher-Price Little People Battering Ram, and the Nerf Tear-Gas Canister Deployment Gun.”
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Re: History & Fantasy : advantages and disadvantages, other thoughts
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2009, 02:14:36 »
Well, I think Greg Allen is correct in that people will make of it what they want and right now going through airport  security is not exactly a positive experience for most people. I know I used to really enjoy meeting people at the airport but now there is nothing I can think of that is worse.




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