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On a picture story what is the easiest way to read and understand what is going on ?

bold on top
3 (23.1%)
bold on bottom
4 (30.8%)
plain on top
1 (7.7%)
plain on bottom
4 (30.8%)
it is what it is and i figure it out
1 (7.7%)

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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2009, 21:46:44 »
I venture this post with some caution, but I do feel that Tim_w has misinterpreted some remarks as being aimed at him personally rather than simply being comments on the technique of creating a picture story.  In this, he does himself and other contributors to the thread a great injustice, although in saying this I am well aware that reading what is written on a screen leads to a far lower level of comprehension than when reading the printed word on a page in front of you and so misunderstandings like this can easily arise in a screen-based debate.

In opening the thread, Rasputin is wanting to find out from members the optimum placing of text in stories so that they are as easy to read as possible, that is, it is a technical discussion on "how to".  A further technical question, having to scroll across the screen to view all a picture is then introduced by me. 

Little Jo extended the discussion, but still keeping to the theme I believe, by drawing a distinction between a "real" photo story where the picture is self-standing by the use of speech bubbles and the documentary type photo story where the picture requires some, usually brief commentary under it.  He also introduced what I found the interesting idea of moving through the story by "turning pages" rather than scrolling down a screen, expressing a preference for this, but noting that in a forum it is difficult to do this.  He also suggested presenting stories through the gallery which separates story from comments.

The next major post for purposes of my reply is Timotheos's where he says what style he prefers, adding that if there is a lot of text he tends to "skim" read and concentrate on the pictures, and suggesting that "If you get rid of the photos, and the story still makes sense (ie. it reads like a prose short story), there is probably too much text...".  Possibly, this last idea comes across as a rather "throw away" statement and so may be open to misinterpretation, but it is, I think, a statement which has some logic in it.  Maybe if it had been written something like as follows this would have been clearer.

" In fact, it could be argued that if you can get rid of the photos and the text still makes sense, then it is more a prose short story than a photo story."

In none of the thread up to this point do I see any criticism aimed intentionally at any member, although members may find general comments which may apply to their approach to photo stories, but there is a big difference between this and directed personal criticism.

Because of the sort of problem which has arisen I tend to steer clear of discursive threads where people express personal opinions or other preferences, certainly when tensions appear, but in this case I have stuck my neck out because I do feel that there is a risk that a number of strong contributors to the board may be put off from contributing in the future which will be a great pity, especially if we remember Rasputin's words at the start of this thread:

"The reason i am asking is there is a very wonderful influx of stories right now and would like to ask the readers what they prefer and or what is easiest to read / understand ? Actually there are so many picture stories going right now i have a hard time keeping up with the adventures. I find myself not wanting to post comments in the middle of a story . So thank you to all who are painstakingly entertaining us  :wow:


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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2009, 23:01:25 »
Hello Gordon and Everyone

I agree with you in everything you have said Gordon, we are very good friends and i can accept your words of wisdom whole hearted. I have apologised to Little Jo for the slight misunderstanding and why it occurred. Wether he accepts that apology is up to him and i expressed that there was no real offence taken and that if anything it was a misunderstanding. I was quite happy in the direction that the thread was going, until Timotheos added his 'opinion' to the thread. I think he chose his words very carefully indeed and knew just how they would come across when read. Infact i knew exactly how my words would come across when i wrote them, i read through them enough times. The bit about the 'disclaimer' on sharing an opinion simply poured fuel on the flames. I only hope that he is happy with the way he decided to approach the thread after i had allready apologise to Little Jo. It was clear that certain emotions were running high and in my opinion Tim's contribution started the whole thing off again. I haven't got a problem with people having an opinion but when it borders on 'criticism' constructive or otherwise it should be left out unless someone specifically asks for it.
I only hope that Rasputin does not feel that this was in any way a result of his posts. Rasputin had a very valid point for starting the thread and i thought it was a great idea. He was also very diplomatic in his approach (something i intentionally lacked in my last post). I had noticed the differences Rasputin highlighted and was eager to find out which method of text presentation was favoured by everyone. I am more than willing to add any text to the bottom of future pictures but what is actually written and how much was not the topic of debate.

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« Last Edit: January 05, 2009, 23:17:24 by Tim_w »

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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2009, 23:46:34 »
I venture this post with some caution, but I do feel that Tim_w has misinterpreted some remarks as being aimed at him personally rather than simply being comments on the technique of creating a picture story.  In this, he does himself and other contributors to the thread a great injustice,

Hello Gordon  :)

I left the last bit off your quote because i agree with it, but it wasn't relevant to my answer below.

I just wanted to add that i didn't feel that the comments were only aimed at me. I singled myself out so as not to single anyone else out. I was trying to be diplomatic and not bring anyone else into this, but it obviously didnt work as well as i intended. I must stress that i felt it was aimed at a couple of other people that have posted, not just me :). As i have said it is not my place to involve anyone else in this debate.

Kindest Regards  Tim  :) :wave:

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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2009, 01:16:58 »
Thank you Gordon, I feel your post stated the situation very well and I appreciate your sticking your neck out. :wow: :wow:



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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2009, 01:57:16 »
Hi Gordon,

Thanks for explaining what I meant.  Ras, a friend, started the thread, so I was simply responding to him with my opinion.  I hadn't read Tim W's post and regret that he mistook my post as something directed at him.

And, yes, I was mildly teasing Little Jo for feeling the need to add a disclaimer to his post.  Little Jo is a really terrific, nice guy.  And, I thought he was being faaaaaar toooooo nice, but clearly I was wrong!   :'( :'( :'(
 
I'm a small-time, published fantasy author.  The industry is brutal, and I've learned to think like my (mostly rejecting) editors.  If the story doesn't immerse the reader from the get-go, the reader isn't obligated to finish.  Because my attraction to photostories lies primarily in the pictures, if the text doesn't immerse me, I skim to the next picture.

However, a one or two line caption always gets read by me.  I consider myself a middling writer, so I write my photostories with my own criticism in mind--the reader may very possibly get bored, so I'd better lure him/her by keeping the text short and keeping the illustrations interesting. 

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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2009, 10:19:04 »
Hello Everyone,

I didn't realise photo story's were looked upon in such a detailed manner. Right up until this thread began to discuss our 'preferred' methods I allways looked at and appreciated what people were doing regardless of how it was done. I appreciate that any photo story takes time to complete and is a very laborious process. At the end of the day it provides content for Playmofriends and makes this place something very special. All of the different story's give a great flavour and variety to suit different people's tastes.
As most people started expressing their opinions regarding photo stories in general i thought it was about time i expressed mine. I am tired of trying to be 'nice' and 'diplomatic', because it doesn't work this day and age and it is not appreciated. Unfortunately when i expressed my opinion in my post below Tim's reply i chose to do it in a way i now regret, because that's not me. I have apologised to Little Jo for the misunderstanding on my part (because that's all it was) but unfortunately even though i used plenty of happy faces and smilies it does not seem to have been accepted. This is not my fault and i can't do any more about it.
At the end of the day i post my photo story's because i hope they are going to make someone happy or teach them something. I don't do it for fame and i certainly don't do it for fortune. I am not an illustrator and i am far from ever being a writer, so people should expect some mistakes. I have my own style and a certain way of doing things. One of the many thing's i did agree with Little Jo on was the fact that there are some story's that need a paragraph of text (i forget the words he used). I guess when i make such story's i shouldn't call them story's at all, because they are not and i think this is where confusion comes in. I think i need to reiterate here for anyone that has failed to read my apology to Little Jo properly is the fact that the only thing i misinterpreted in his post was his use of small text. By and large i thought he put things quite diplomatically and it was very well worded indeed considering English is not his native language.
I gave up posting photo story's along time ago for similar reasons as these and it was only through my project with Bill that i got back into them. I promised Bill i would do a set of story's for the forum involving the adventures of his firefighters here in the UK and it was a great inspiration. I really started to enjoy sharing my work with the forum again.
Unfortunately the way this thread has turned out for me has made me come to a regrettable decision. After i have finished the series for Bill i will no longer be posting anymore photo stories for Playmofriends. Infact i am in two minds wether to continue posting anything at all.

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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2009, 11:24:15 »
Little Jo extended the discussion,

I whished I haven't done so looking at the ongoing discussion ...  :-\

Footnote: Just wanted to bring in a personal point of view and some ideas ... anyway I learned to re-read more carefully with others point of view in mind, what never can be wrong.
Nevertheless this didn't "dislodges" me and still I keep continue posting my contributions (as long as the moderators didn't say I misbehaved and have to leave). In first line I'm doing customizations and photos for myself (and to be published on my Web site), and posting here is for sharing with the community so (1) that people who want and like can "participate"/get inspired/have joy/or even hate with it and (2) to make this forum a success and make it "live" by adding content.


Wether he accepts that apology is up to him and i expressed that there was no real offence taken and that if anything it was a misunderstanding.

I think I have to post this urgently just to make this clear: Yes, for sure I do. Sorry, for leaving a doubt about this (and reacting "late" -- I had to isolate our attic yesterday so there had been less time for posting).

I assumed and than was shown that it was obviously a misunderstanding. Nothing more to be said from my side. Forgotten.

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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2009, 01:52:32 »


Uh, anyone care to discuss Cricket?  I hear it is on the wain, but still smashingly popular in India and Pakistan.

-Tim
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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2009, 04:53:35 »
What the hell . I loose my internet connection for not paying a bill and i miss all this in 3 days  8}

Come on now everyone this is a toy and pictures we are talking about . I surely did not want ( and i think nobody else does ) want members to stop contributing post's, treads and most of all pictures . why not tell me santa and the easter bunny do not exist  . I eagerly look forward to all and any pictures and comments in this place . If not for us do it for them . I do not care if you take off the gloves with me sometimes i need a good whoopin   :omg::whip: but not the children  0) seriously send me your address's and i will send some wine and we can all have a virtual drink together  :**:


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they are gaining inspiration for their own projects

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Re: Picture story text- style and location
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2009, 17:46:56 »
Uh, anyone care to discuss Cricket?  I hear it is on the wain, but still smashingly popular in India and Pakistan.

-Tim

The industry is brutal, and I've learned to think like my (mostly rejecting) editors.

Hello Tim ;D,

If that's the best you can come up with i am not at all surprised your editors reject most of your work :yup: :lol: I tell you what just for you i will hang around for a bit longer, maybe you will be able to learn something from me afterall. Even if its only getting your pictures to fit the screen ;) :lol: I can do a 'How-To' guide if you like, after all we are all friends here ;) :)9

Tim  :)9
« Last Edit: January 07, 2009, 18:39:18 by Tim_w »

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