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Arrival of the Archers
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 19:42:14 »


My Archer Century has arrived from a favourite eBay seller in Malta, plus a bonus of three cavalrymen to add to the lonely one that I had already. The archers have lined up alongside my small Auxiliary unit, many wearing leather caps for lack of helmets.

I've created a custom centurion for the Archers, and Decurion for the Cavalry, which I'm particularly pleased with.


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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2008, 22:06:47 »
Hey Martin could you either PM me or post who your Malta vendor was?

You did long ago but I deleted it.  My last attempt to order 7 archers via DS came up nought.

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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2008, 01:10:56 »
Martin,

If your Malta connection is a good source for bulk purchases I would also appreciate their information, if it does not compromise your relationship. Thanks.




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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2008, 02:58:20 »


WOW! It's really cool, Martin!! :yup:

I was reading something about you giving names to all of them ... Remember that the nomen is the family name! Not all have to have a cognomen. And there are about ten main praenomina, so, this will be the easy part (or, maybe not ...).

Would you like a list of the main prenames, or is it part of your fun? If you wish help with names, I could give you, because I just :love: love :love: giving names to klickys! 8}

It's a great troop, you did!

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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2008, 06:46:25 »
Hi Tim & Gepetto,

My Malta source is an eBay seller, her eBay ID  is Play-123. Bear in mind she's selling at European prices, so you'll be paying the equivalent of $4 per "figure + accessories), but for British buyers, that's exactly what we'd pay if buying from Playmobil direct, and she has a better and varying range.

I prefer her buy-it-now auctions, where a 5 figure set (with full accessories) is currently £9-11 (plus postage). I generally buy multiple lots to combine postage and save on postage costs. 

If you're looking for something particular, email her and she may be able to get it for you. She didn't have any Roman archers listed when I asked, but the same day 5 lots of 5 specially for me as buy-it-now, which I snapped up immediately.

hers's a link to her eBay shop http://stores.ebay.co.uk/123-Lets-Play


Gus,

I don't have any problems sourcing Roman names, as the link I gave earlier shows. It's getting them printed out, cut into strips, and stored in the heads that's going to be the labour of love.

The fun part is going to be naming the main characters - the officers, Tribunes etc. who will have specific, sometime humorous names.



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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2008, 16:17:12 »
The more I read up books and websites and learn about the Roman army, and look at pictures, the more I appreciate the job the designers did on this theme.

Where they have strayed from the known facts, it an understandable and forgiveable straying, considering this a children's toy.

Take the Centurion:



The Playmobil Centurion has 3 disks on the front of his armour. These are battle decorations, the equivalent of medals in the modern world.

He wears a cloak, and has a transverse crest, and his sandals are silver which a reasonable facsimile of greaves.

His sword is worn on the left, unlike the legionnaires which wear the sword on the right.

He lacks the vine staff, a symbol of office as well as a whacking stick, and the pre-cursor to the modern swagger stick, but any stick will do for that, and Playmobil has provided various stick options over the years.


Tonight I'll pop a close up photo of one of my Centurions alongside these guys to compare.


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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2008, 17:07:53 »
Martin,

Thank you for the information on your Malta connection, there are a few figures that would be worth hunting down.

Your Romans look great and I was following along with mine quite nicely until you came to the archers in which I am sorely lacking ( I realize now). I really enjoy watching your progress in this theme.



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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2008, 17:59:36 »
Thanks Gepetto! I'm enjoying the process of building the units, and learning more about a subject I only showed a surface interest in before. This is really my favourite part of Playmobil - the connection back to the real world, and the deepened understanding thereof.

The archer is well worth getting from the Malta seller if you can, unless and until Playmobil make him available as an accessory group.

The archer has eight parts (figure, helmet, bow, shoulderbelt, front clip, dagger, quiver, and arrows) compared to five for a regular legionnaire (figure, hemmet, shield, gladius, pilum) so he's going to cost more to reconstruct from DS parts.

Next comes the Signifer - Playmobil have forgiveably combined four jobs into one here:



The Playmobil standard is clearly a combination of the first two - one is the Signum that each Century carried, and the second with the red flag used was a Vexillum, carried by a small part of a Legion removed for specific duties. This standard was carried until the detachment returned to the Legion. The flag carried the Legion's number and symbols, if they had any, to show where they belonged.



The third standard bearer is an Imagnifer, carrying an image of the Emperor. There would be one per Legion, I understand.  A fourth standard bearer was the Aquilifer, who carried the Aquila, a golden eagle atop a pole. This recreationist is indeed wearing a lion skin. Again, one per Legion, and this standard stayed with the greater part of a Legion wherever it went.

So there was only one Imagnifer and Aquilifer each per Legion. It would be easy enough to re-create these standards from Playmo parts, but for Playmo's purposes they are rare enough to ignore (for now?)

All the re-creationists I have posted pictures of wear chainmail, an animal skin, and their gladius on the right hip. The animal skins might be from a wolf or bear - Playmobil have gone with a lion skin, like the Aquilifer. There doesn't seem to be a fixed animal skin for a particular standard.
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Re: Creating a Roman Century circa 150AD - how?
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2008, 19:07:41 »
Hey thanks for the side by side comparisons Martin . It really does look like playmobil did a decent job in their design.

Your army by the way is looking great & i hope you keep us posted on any expansions .
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Cornicern
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2008, 20:14:51 »
Playmobil haven't yet created a Cornicern, the officer who was there to sound the signals to co-ordinate units, but we have a good idea of what one looked like.



He carried the Cornu, a nearly circular horn, wore an animal skin, chainmail, wore his sword on the right hip, and in battle carried a round shield.

I've used the Signifer figure, but changed his lion skin for the wolf pelt from the 4437 Barbarian set, and he holds a horn that appeared in some Viking a earlier Knight sets. The chainmail coif is not accurate, but the wolf skin fits it, and I think it looks OK.

There have been several versions of the wolf headpiece and a few wolfskin cloaks in Western Indian sets, but unfortunately the cloaks are not currently available in the UK. I'm trying to source a few though eBay.