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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 13:48:01 »


Quote from: Martin Milner on June 04, 2008, 11:50:51

Aha, that's why I never made the connection between your avatar and name!

What you call a count is what in English we call a scribe.



Aha, so Bogro's "Count" might be what we would today call an aCOUNTant ... ???

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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2008, 00:47:49 »
Quote from: Martin Milner on June 04, 2008, 11:50:51
What you call a count is what in English we call a scribe.

Count is a noble rank, like Duke, Baron, Earl Viscount and Marquis, except we didn't have Counts in England, but they occurred in many other European countries.

Hey Martin, when you consider the count's clothing is 15th century-ish, it's not improbable that he is a literate fellow writing his own pulp fiction tale.  By the 1300s, medieval France had a robust pulp fiction market, with a lot of idle literati penning their fancies.

For that reason, I haven't assumed him to be a scribe.

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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2008, 13:27:28 »
Quote from: Martin Milner on June 04, 2008, 11:50:51
Aha, that's why I never made the connection between your avatar and name!

What you call a count is what in English we call a scribe.

Count is a noble rank, like Duke, Baron, Earl Viscount and Marquis, except we didn't have Counts in England, but they occurred in many other European countries.

A Scribe was a servant who could read and write, and do sums. He would help keep his lord's accounts and records straight, and I guess attend important meetings to keep the minutes, and draw up contracts and documents.

Thus a scribe would often be seen with pen, ink and paper.

I'm afraid that this bloke in green isn't a scribe. It's German name is "Graf mit tisch" - and "Graf" is very definitly a noble rank. He therefore isn't a scribe.
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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 15:31:11 »


Quote from: CountBogro on June 07, 2008, 13:27:28

I'm afraid that this bloke in green isn't a scribe. It's German name is "Graf mit tisch" - and "Graf" is very definitly a noble rank. He therefore isn't a scribe.



Hmmm ... seems like our acCOUNTant may actually be the CFO (Chief Financial Officer) or perhaps the King's Treasurer ...  :klickywink:


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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2008, 21:54:53 »
Quote from: Richard on June 07, 2008, 15:31:11


Hmmm ... seems like our acCOUNTant may actually be the CFO (Chief Financial Officer) or perhaps the King's Treasurer ...  :klickywink:




In that case, I am very much afraid that the treasury is empty  ;D
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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2008, 22:09:23 »


Quote from: CountBogro on June 08, 2008, 21:54:53

In that case, I am very much afraid that the treasury is empty  ;D



Aha ... then it must be time to go "borrow" some gold from a neighboring kingdom ... ;D




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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2008, 23:56:35 »
Hello, Playmofriends!

Although this maiden looks like a princess,


picture from Collectobil.com

in Collectobil she's listed as "Countess" ...

Does anyone know why? 8}

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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2008, 01:57:07 »
Quote from: Gustavo on June 15, 2008, 23:56:35
Hello, Playmofriends!

Although this maiden looks like a princess,


picture from Collectobil.com

in Collectobil she's listed as "Countess" ...

Does anyone know why? 8}

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Countess is an apt a term as any.  The style of hat she wears was fashionable during the mid-1300s in England and France and is not indicative of princesses specificly, but of the upper class.

She could just as accurately be the wife of a knight or court minister as the daughter of a monarch.
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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2008, 02:14:01 »


Hello, Gus ...


Quote from: Gustavo on June 15, 2008, 23:56:35

Although this maiden looks like a princess,

in Collectobil she's listed as "Countess" ...

Does anyone know why? 8}



The "Countess" (or, lady in waiting) is wearing a tall hat called a henin. This was typical for a lady of a royal house. However, a Playmobil princess would have been wearing a smaller crown (or tiara) similar to the one the Queen in set 3263A is wearing. As you can see in this set, there are two ladies in waiting with the Queen ...

There is also the possibility that the "Queen" in set 3262A might actually be a "Princess" from a very weathy kingdom that can afford a "large" crown for a princess ...  :klickywink:

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Re: Old Medieval Houses (from Playmobil.de Archiv)
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2008, 05:26:00 »
Quote from: Richard on June 16, 2008, 02:14:01

The "Countess" (or, lady in waiting) is wearing a tall hat called a henin. This was typical for a lady of a royal house. However, a Playmobil princess would have been wearing a smaller crown (or tiara) similar to the one the Queen in set 3263A is wearing. As you can see in this set, there are two ladies in waiting with the Queen ...


Hi Richard may I petition what your source hails from?

Specificly: what do you mean by "typical for a lady of a royal house"?

My sourcebook on medieval fashion mentions this as a 14th century fashion among the upperclass rather than a raiment worn solely by daughters of the reigning family.

I am under the impression there wasn't a "uniform" for royalty--the royal family just wore better and more expensive.  French and English "Princesses" could be fashion trendsetters, but didn't have a set of clothing that marked them separately from other upper class women.

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