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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2008, 00:02:31 »
Sorry if I am being unpolite, but this is what I think.

-As Playmobil is German, they do not want to enforce a bad image of Germans as nazis, they would not want to make something that gave some bad name to all them. I suppose no US toy factory would produce an Enola Gay toy, or napalm bomb toys. I suppose no southern US toy factory would produce Civil war soldier toys. I know this reasoning not always holds, as there was a comparable anhilation of American natives yet we still have toys of indians versus Western soldiers and cowboys.
-Even if they want to make them, as long as their WW II foes, just by sake of garden wargaming, sensitive persons, with families suffering the Holocaust (or opportunist people, with a less moral interest) may sue Playmobil for promoving nazism if not portraying the nazis as clearly bad (what is much more difficult for a toy than for a movie). Indeed, perhaps by ignorance, but except for Lego (which also had problems, and can give more reason to avoid making nazis), I do not know of toys performing nazi soldiers.
-Neonazis may get angry if nazis are depicted as bad and sabotage Playmobil (there may be many there)

Thus, it seems the most logical for them to avoid making nazi clickies, and to avoid showing nazi scenes in sites that depend on them or at least request to use their logo.

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2008, 13:11:06 »


Hello, Playmofriends ...  :wave:

We have certainly chatted a lot about this "alleged" banning of "modern military" ...  8}

However, does anyone actually have any "copies" of what was actually banned?

Or, is this all just conjecture and hearsay?

I, for one, would be very interested in seeing the "evidence" ...  :hmm:

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2008, 14:37:53 »
Well, here's what's been reported in this thread and, as you can see, it is not so clear cut as some responses have assumed.

http://www.klickywelt.de/info---modernes-militaer-t26511.html#314668

My translation is a bit shaky, but it looks like Klickywelt's administrator has banned modern military from the forum.

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

My German is poor, so I get only a tantalizing glimpse of the feuding, flame wars, bannings, locked threads, and otherwise mayhem on that forum.

Hello Timotheos,

You have understood it quite well.

The forum has this rule because Geobra (PLAYMOBIL) has it as an official rule. Furthermore they also write that if Geobra change their own views on the topic, then they'll change it too.

I just slipped over this thread...

As far as I know, there has not been an official demand from geobra to stop showing modern military customs. But I remember an occasion some months ago (still at playmo-portal) where a guy posted WWII-customs with explicit display of nazi-emblems, which is even forbidden by german law.

The new rule that modern military is banned in klickywelt is ongoing, a final decision has not been made now. Bennain just stated this ban to start the discussion.  :hmm:

So it seems that maybe there isn't a ban yet but that the webmaster on klickywelt is seeking the views of his members on this.
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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2008, 14:57:40 »
mmm... Indeed I granted the cases of banning as true without further proove, and thought about it...

But now that you ask for hard proof, Richard, I remember seeing at least in this site, a proof of non-censorship: some clickies customed as the Afrika Korps of Rommel...

I suppose this site does not depend on Playmobil, isn't it?? It seems reasonable that if somebody else customizes clickies like that, Playmobil can not be criticized (in case of somebody thinking they are promoving nazism).

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2008, 18:24:56 »



Thanks, Gordon and Pyrrhus ...

I read Bennain's "request" to his members and the responses to his post.

It would seem that everyone may be making a very big "to do" over nothing ... ;)
(In fact is sounds like there is a possibility that Klickywelt may have a Playmobil "dark side" area for "adults only" ... Which actually may not be a bad idea.)

However, if anyone wants to see World War II Klickys all they have to do is go to the Spanish Forum.

There are Afrika Korps and even what looks like a military junta ...

Click HERE ...

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2008, 19:04:05 »
Perhaps there should be seen some cat-like heads made by Malone to perform some "Fritz the cat"-like scene. :lol:
Or my dirty mind perhaps got astray and you were talking about other thing...

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2008, 00:49:03 »
I will certainly admit i have a big problem with the so called ownership of things . If i paid my hard earned money for an item, i do not need that company telling me what i can and can not do with it . If i want to listen to some music and a friend burns me a copy to bad you greedy record studio . If i turn it into a business and start selling copies of the item then i agree that a copyright law was broken , not if i give it away for others to enjoy. This is one of the greatest problems with many big companies . they buy up all the innovative useful technology and file it away to keep making money on their inefficient wasteful products.

I think the adult only room would be a great idea for this site .

 i see the similarity in either the owner of the forum or playmobil as instilling its own beliefs onto others and if ones does not comply, than suffer the consequences . Yes playmobil is much more tactful in accomplishing this but non the less they are both controlling .
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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2008, 06:49:30 »
-As Playmobil is German, they do not want to enforce a bad image of Germans as nazis, they would not want to make something that gave some bad name to all them. I suppose no US toy factory would produce an Enola Gay toy, or napalm bomb toys.

Just to clarify, it's not that Playmobil that have banned the use of the Nazi Swastika from their toys, this has been the law in Germany since 1945, that they have to obey.

There has been much pressure to ban the use of the Nazi Swastika in other countries too, though as a kid I had many model kits with swastikas, and they didn't turn me into a Nazi. 

I refer you to this article http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n2p34_Desjardin.html among many other items on the internet.

Playmobil's self-imposed ban is on modern military hardware - tanks, machine guns, and other weapons of mass destruction.

Thus their ban encompasses not merely WW2, but any war theme since WW1 when tanks and machine guns changed the face of warfare. There won't be a Vietnam theme, Korea theme, Afghanistan Theme, or Iraq theme any time soon, to name a few.

Note that the Gatling Gun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun, invented before and used in the US Civil war, is not present in Playmobil, as it would be too violent, though cannons are, presumably being still a single-shot weapon, though they do massive damage, and loaded with grapeshot would easily kill dozens at one firing. 

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2008, 07:16:27 »
I will certainly admit i have a big problem with the so called ownership of things . If i paid my hard earned money for an item, i do not need that company telling me what i can and can not do with it . If i want to listen to some music and a friend burns me a copy to bad you greedy record studio . If i turn it into a business and start selling copies of the item then i agree that a copyright law was broken , not if i give it away for others to enjoy. This is one of the greatest problems with many big companies . they buy up all the innovative useful technology and file it away to keep making money on their inefficient wasteful products.

Sounds to me you've got a problem with certain laws. That's a different discussion  ;) ... and I don't think this is the right place for it.

I think the adult only room would be a great idea for this site .

You mean something like Hell from Playmoboard and The Cauldron of the Laughing Giraffe? I think that's up to the owners of this Forum. Not us.

I see the similarity in either the owner of the forum or playmobil as instilling its own beliefs onto others and if ones does not comply, than suffer the consequences . Yes playmobil is much more tactful in accomplishing this but non the less they are both controlling .


I see a big difference between politely asking and blindly shutting out individuals. This is putting things way to simplistic. There are a awefull lot of similarities between monkeys and man but that doesn't mean they are the same nor that they ever end up being the same.

I'm afraid that I can see where you're coming from; but I totally disagree with you.

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2008, 15:31:07 »
Rasputin, I think you are right in that Playmobil should not attack us if we want to customize a click as Hitler, Göring or their friends, and then upload them.
But I think they are in their right to ask these to be not displayed in forums of theirs, not in forums in some way "endorsed" by them (or Playmobil would stop endorsing them). I understand you because I was politely banned from a political discussion once, as the owner of the website was the one who asked me to leave.

However, I think if you own a site not endorsed by Playmobil, there should be no problem in uploading nazis, KKK, etc.