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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2008, 03:09:52 »


Hello, Timmy ...  :wave:

Quote from: Timotheos on April 15, 2008, 01:04:58
I guess I could find out by starting a website dedicated to my Playmobil Vichy French Navy and see if I get sued...

If you do, Tim ... please don't forget to give us a link ... :lol:

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2008, 03:24:45 »
I would understand if the customizers were making money on a copyrighted item . or if they were selling the laura croft pic's . If i buy a car and modify it to my hearts content- are you saying the car manufacturer has a legal right to sue .  I say more people should do it and let the company waste valuable recourses fighting these absurd claims ( bleeding the dragon ) If i buy an item and the company is allowed to tell me what i can and can not do with it is just going to far , what next , they are going to dictate how it is played with . Im sorry little Billy is playing wrong, here is a $50,000 law suit courtesy of Geobra, have a nice day .
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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2008, 05:37:27 »
I think you're over-reacting, Rasputin.  Playmobil have not asked an individual to stop customising WW2 figures but asked an organisation to stop featuring these customs on its website.  The people running that website know Playmobil's view on modern warfare and also enjoy close links with Playmobil (notice the website has a Playmobil logo on it's pages) and so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that the site should be asked to reflect Playmobil's philosophy on modern warfare.  What individuals do with Playmobil is still their concern, although Playmobil will take action if people act in which harms Playmobil.  I think there used to be a pornographic Playmobil site which was closed down.
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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2008, 06:26:48 »
I just slipped over this thread...

As far as I know, there has not been an official demand from geobra to stop showing modern military customs. But I remember an occasion some months ago (still at playmo-portal) where a guy posted WWII-customs with explicit display of nazi-emblems, which is even forbidden by german law.

The new rule that modern military is banned in klickywelt is ongoing, a final decision has not been made now. Bennain just stated this ban to start the discussion.  :hmm:

I am by far not a friend of military customs and I am definitely happy that playmobil do not sale a perfectly designed tank for children to play. Modern war here in germany definitely has a different impact. I would not say that all the germans are pacifists, but most have a very distinguished view on war as a game. I personally appreciate this attitude very much!  0)  :love:

Everything else, I think, is kind of a personally decision someone has to make. The values are just as well different for people with different backgrounds. Just remember the initiative of the Malaysian (?) government to ban the playmo pirate ship from the market. What is seen mostly as a romantic, historic game, for those people is a very offensive toy, living in an area, where many people got killed by pirates every year.

But, just to make that clear, I agree that there are several brilliant customs adressing more or less modern military.  :wow:

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2008, 15:55:57 »
I am not, in my opinion over reacting i am simply reacting to yet another companies attempt to dictate its power over a product through censorship . Law is always in the interest of the strongest and i feel that many large companies choose to abuse the power they have been given. There are many people whom to this day are insulted by the stars and stripes and that the Civil War was a very hard time but playmobil chose to do a very long run on this line. Now that a certain group of highly sensitive people get offended by the swastika, "oh no, we not only can not do that, but we have to threaten anybody who shows our product in that manner". Well it is history and it will not go away. i guess it will be Ok to do a WWII theme in the year 2055 .

 Well now that there is a quickly growing group of Environmentally sensitive individuals does that mean playmobil should stop making petrol gusling trucks and highly destructive construction equipment. These are very current issues that affect the way we all live .

Just trying to look at this situation a little diffrently and not blindly go along with Playmobil's decisions .
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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2008, 16:09:47 »



Hello, Rasputin ...  :wave:

I liked your thought which basically suggested, "If you really intend on living your life without ever offending anyone, then perhaps you should lock yourself in a closet and cut out your tongue." ... ;)

Maybe, it's enough to try to live your life by never intentionally trying to offend others and if a "misstep" occurs to simply say, "I'm sorry!"

It is probably not necessary for most of us here at Playmofriends to have "rules of conduct" imposed upon us, as most of us seem intelligent and caring enough to NOT want to cause anyone any pain or discomfort.

And, we all seem to be able to "police" each other when it's time for a gentle reminder (or two) ... :lol:

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2008, 17:19:33 »
Quote from: Rasputin on April 15, 2008, 15:55:57
I am not, in my opinion over reacting i am simply reacting to yet another companies attempt to dictate its power over a product through censorship . Law is always in the interest of the strongest and i feel that many large companies choose to abuse the power they have been given. There are many people whom to this day are insulted by the stars and stripes and that the Civil War was a very hard time but playmobil chose to do a very long run on this line. Now that a certain group of highly sensitive people get offended by the swastika, "oh no, we not only can not do that, but we have to threaten anybody who shows our product in that manner". Well it is history and it will not go away. i guess it will be Ok to do a WWII theme in the year 2055 .

 Well now that there is a quickly growing group of Environmentally sensitive individuals does that mean playmobil should stop making petrol gusling trucks and highly destructive construction equipment. These are very current issues that affect the way we all live .

Just trying to look at this situation a little diffrently and not blindly go along with Playmobil's decisions .
I'm not blindly following geobra's decisions, I merely suggested the possible background which might have led to geobra asking for the modern war theme to be removed from playmo-portal (but see Socrates' post after mine on this and my comment below.

The ACW was in many ways the first "modern" war in its effects on society and in the degree to which those effects were recorded not by artists after the event but by photographers at the time.  In the light of those things, I'm always surprised that there is such a romantic view of the ACW, especially in the South which suffered most.  And I'm pretty certain that many of those Playmobil ACW sets were bought in the USA, and I've seen posts from US collectors bemoaning the fact that the ACW now is so low-key in Playmobil's catalogues.

As regards WW1 and WW2, the views on and experience of these in Europe are I feel quite different from the views and experience of the USA.  In the 30 or so years from 1914 to 1945, for roughly one-third of them mainland Europe was at war with massive destruction of life and property and society, with the period between the wars being years of disruption and unrest and poverty.  In addition, in WW2, millions of people were imprisoned and died for no other reason than that they were the wrong religion or the wrong ethnic background.  It is no "group of highly sensitive people" who get offended by the swastika but whole nations.  The USA since the ACW has been fortunate enough not to suffer all out war in its mainland and, as a result, maybe does not understand the effects of this on people.  All I am suggesting is that if there is some sort of "special relationship" between geobra and playmo-portal, then playmo-portal should accept and reflect the philosophy of geobra on issues such as modern war as part of that relationship.  Moreover, Socrates' post made after mine suggests that the discussion is not the result of action by geobra but by the "owner" of playmo-portal raising the issue.
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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2008, 17:55:34 »


Hello, Gordon ...  :wave:

Quote from: playmofire on April 15, 2008, 17:19:33
The USA since the ACW has been fortunate enough not to suffer all out war in its mainland and, as a result, maybe does not understand the effects of this on people.


During World War !!, some Brits had an interesting expression that they used when referring to the Yanks billeted in Great Britain, "The only thing wrong with the Yanks is that they're over sexed, over paid and over here!"

More recently, some Brits have suggested that they should also have a "Thanksgiving" holiday, a bit different from the Canadians and Americans. The major difference being that they thought that they might celebrate it on the fourth of July.

"Yank Bashing" seems to have become a fairly common pastime with some folks in the UK (as well as other "select" locations around the world).

One of the most popular forms of ridicule seem to be based on the United States being somewhat "out of touch" with the rest of the world. This might even be seen as a "lack of understanding" or ignorance!

However, being the "kind and gentle" souls that we ALL appear to be here at Playmofriends, it is highly unlikely that anyone here would express such derogatory or inflammatory thoughts to our members.

Don't you agree?

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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2008, 18:22:54 »
I do agree, Richard, and I'm not expressing such thoughts, remember, I am married to an American!  But I do find that Americans do have a different view on the world, including my wife (although I think she sees things differently the longer she lives over here).  To give an example, Diane's relatives in the States seem to have the idea that it's less distance for us to visit them in the USA than for them to visit us in the UK!
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Re: Modern Military (1914+) banned from Klickywelt?
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2008, 19:15:07 »



Hello, Gordon ...  :wave:

Quote from: playmofire on April 15, 2008, 18:22:54
Diane's relatives in the States seem to have the idea that it's less distance for us to visit them in the USA than for them to visit us in the UK!

Well ... duh ... ::)

I thought that EVERYONE knew that ... :lol:

All the best to you and your "better" half, ... ;)
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