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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2008, 03:54:33 »


Hello, Steve ...  :wave:

It seems like they would be doing better here in the US if they supported the smaller shops that they sell to, and stop with Target and TRU.

Did you know Alan Hess the former president of Playmobil USA?

Those were almost Alan's exact words to Horst Brandstätter!

I, for one, agree with both you and Alan!

However, we are not the owners of Playmobil. And, the owner of Playmobil is now a billionaire, so he must be doing something right ... ;)

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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 05:00:10 »
I know, I know. They need to sell toys to make a profit. The thing is, the small toy shop here in town can't even get their Playmobil Rep. on the phone to place an order. She gets two shipments a year, and they are partial amounts of what she asks for. A similar story exists for the shop in the next town over!

I'm seeing a market that exists, but is not supplied. It doesn't make sense to me. I'm willing to pay for quality, and want to buy locally...

As long as I can order direct I can get the sets I want, but it would be great if I could support a local business at the same time. Playmobil used to say that you should see the toys in person, now it's harder to do than ever before.
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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2008, 11:04:17 »
Just to clarify, gloobey, this change of hair is nothing whatsoever to do with Target as a retailer. None of my ghosts were bought at Target, and the boxes are sealed, the retailer has no control over what's actually inside.

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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2008, 13:22:59 »


Hello, Timmy ...  :wave:

Just to clarify, gloobey, this change of hair is nothing whatsoever to do with Target as a retailer. None of my ghosts were bought at Target, and the boxes are sealed, the retailer has no control over what's actually inside.

I'm a bit confused. You have just written that none of your ghosts were bought at Target. But, you had previously written that you had, "bought several of the 4650 ghosts from Target ... "

Because they're so cheap, I've bought several of the 4650 ghosts from Target (US $2) in case I ever want an undead wedding or something...


I'm not trying ti build a "case" here, Timmy. However, as I said, "I am a bit confused" ...  8}

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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2008, 13:33:18 »

Hello, Timmy ...  :wave:

I'm a bit confused. You have just written that none of your ghosts were bought at Target. But, you had previously written that you had, "bought several of the 4650 ghosts from Target ... "


I'm not trying to build a "case" here, Timmy. However, as I said, "I am a bit confused" ...  8}

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Yes you are confused 8} Richard, because I am not Timmy, I am Martin. Does that clear up the confusion?

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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 13:48:11 »


Good morning, Martin ...  :wave:

Yes you are confused 8} Richard, because I am not Timmy, I am Martin. Does that clear up the confusion?

Perhaps I should NEVER respond to posts first thing in the morning ...  :-[
(Especially before that first cup of coffee) ... :lol:

Thank you very much for un-confusing me. Hopefully, your "cure" will last all day ... :lol:

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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2008, 03:38:24 »
Hi Martin, I'm not all faulting Target, they sell what they get off the truck that week. I think Playmobil needs to answer for their decision to sell to Target, along with substituting parts to meet demand.
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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2008, 12:22:00 »
I think that it's necessary for Playmobil to be accurate in what they show on the boxes! It's an important part of the high quality toy that we all expect. This example of what's happening at Target is one of the good reasons they should stop selling at big chain stores. Most of the people that shop at Target aren't looking for a specific toy (like Playmobil) anyways.

It seems like they would be doing better here in the US if they supported the smaller shops that they sell to, and stop with Target and TRU.

Okay, I'll step down from my soap box now...

When I was a kid, we bought Playmobil from Kmart and I believe Sears.  My recent story: I quit collecting as a kid; in 2000, I bought Victorian themed sets for my Mum from a bookshop near my office; after I moved, I went back into hibernation until my mom started buying Christmas sets from Target.

It's a little snooty to call distributing to Target and (especially) Toys R Us as an image gaffe.

TRU is a bonafide toy store.  And, in the US, Target is considered an upmarket alternative to Wal-Mart--so you could argue that PM is looking out for its image.  And, if you don't distribute to toy stores, who do you distribute to?

A small minority of you guys, bless your hearts, get wrapped up in that 1990s morality that asserts that any shop with a staff larger than two (mom + pop = 2) is an evil institution.

To Mom and Pop: we love you guys, but if your store does too well, expands too much, we'll turn our noses up at you.  It's about image.  It's about my self-esteem.  I'm better than the rabble.  Do you understand???  (PS. And I'm not a snob.  I champion the masses, provided we aren't seen together in public (It's cool to champion the masses, just not cool to be the masses).

But I digress...

In short: like I said, I bought PM as a kid from Kmart and Sears.  PM has a history in the states of selling mass market. 

I tell you what:  95% of those eclectic toys that sell only through speciality toy shops would love to find themselves on a shelf at Target.

They don't target tiny shops as an act of morality, but because they can't demonstrate the market penetration to woo the bigger stores.

Toy manufacturers are more pragmatic than we shoppers are.

"I would NEVER sell to anyone who shopped at <sniff> TARGET.  Not that I have anything against <sniff> FACTORY WORKERS and vagrants.  I just <ah ha ha ha> prefer that my products find homes devoid of FLEAS and HEAD LICE.  No offense.  Not that the hoi polloi has any business taking offense from their betters. <Ah ha ha ha>"

 

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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2008, 15:09:41 »
A small minority of you guys, bless your hearts, get wrapped up in that 1990s morality that asserts that any shop with a staff larger than two (mom + pop = 2) is an evil institution.

To Mom and Pop: we love you guys, but if your store does too well, expands too much, we'll turn our noses up at you.  It's about image.  It's about my self-esteem.  I'm better than the rabble.  Do you understand???  (PS. And I'm not a snob.  I champion the masses, provided we aren't seen together in public (It's cool to champion the masses, just not cool to be the masses).

:hmm:

Personally, I love Target  :heart: - I shop there frequently for many different things and I wish that they would sell as much variety of Playmobil as a typical high-end toy store might.  Further, I wish that Toys-R-Us, Walmart, Sears, Costco, BJ's, Fred Meyer, etc., etc. would do it too.  The more Playmobil the better!!!  The reality is that this type of store has a specific retail strategy of turning over inventory in one season and then putting new and different items on the shelf for next season.  They typically do not hold inventory for more than one year which is why so many of us have been able to get some great clearance deals on Playmo items.  This is true in all departments, not just toys - try buying a set of dishes or sheets or outdoor furniture and then go back a year later to get more of the same - it won't be there. 

Small toy stores are having a hard time staying in business for all kinds of reasons.  Playmobil USA has a reputation of not supporting them, so these small businesses stop selling Playmobil.  Sad to see these small businesses suffer, but the truth is it probably has more to do with the general economy, changing trends, and Walmart than it has to do with Playmobil USA.
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Re: PM does another switcheroo on the parts (the Target ghost)
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2008, 17:50:39 »
Good point Indianna! I shop at Target on a regular basis too but the fact that they don't carry the full line of Playmobil, and they turn things over so quickly tells us that they really don't care about the toys, just what they can sell.

The exclusive Target sets concentrate on good guy vs. bad guy play with an emphasis on fighting. These exclusive sets sit right next to G.I. Joe at the Target near me. The Playmobil catalog has much more to offer than that i.e creative role play in a variety of settings with the option to mix them together to form completely unique worlds for each individual child.

This isn't about being a toy snob, I genuinely think that there is more to playing than fighting and killing and blowing things up.  A majority of the toys at Target appeal to that lower form of play. If Target and Playmobil get together and decide to offer their entier line nationally then the better for all of us who want healthy, creative play.
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