Author Topic: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL  (Read 35030 times)

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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2008, 22:31:38 »
Hey Guys,

If you're serious about pushing this stuff to Geobra, narrow the list down to three really important things.

1) Also, I would advise against the rotating torsos.  A rotating torso will completely change the klicky framework--and possibly we'll get a klicky back that you can't take apart without breaking.  Who really wants a rotating torso?  The rotating wrist was the revolution.  Also, the more moving parts, the uglier the figure will look.  Like knees and elbows with big, ugly joints.

2) Leave the size of the boxes to PM to worry about.  It's in their interest to reduce packaging to save cost, so I'm sure they're doing what they can already.

3) Supports to prevent scratching?  That will increase costs.  You get a lot of scratched klickies?  I think you can throw a klicky at a wall without scratching it.

4) PM already has a number system depicting all internal parts....  if you're wanting separate parts for legs, I think this is a harder sale because for one thing, PM doesn't sell Klickies in pieces, but in full figures.

5) Hairpieces: PM seems to be doing a good job on its own with hair and face variety.  I mean, hasn't somebody documented over 100 face types?

But, seriously, guys, I think the list needs to be narrowed, tightened, and cleaned up.

-Tim


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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2008, 23:00:57 »
i was not thinking on turning "green", you can rest assured tim.  0)
there are ways to make hidrocarbonate fuel form plants but i still haven't seen that you can make plastic.
you can always recycle plastic, until no other option is available.
i don't know if geobra is working on this but i have a feeling one of this days we will see clickies made od wood-based composites (mdf-like).  :o
aluminium could also be an option (it's easy to recycle) but it is getting so much expensive.

 :hmm: i will insist in the human-rights though, particularly in the child-labour theme.
i would hate that a 10 years old chinese (as an example) boy could be responsible for the production of a toy that my 10 years old child would play with.
not so long ago (actually when i was a child) the same problem existed in portugal and i still remember how awfull it was.  :'(
the argument that, on the long run, you are contributing to make a country wealthier and that this is only a necessary and temporary step towards "evolution" doesn't convince me at all. :(

i recognize that "we" "westerners" are quite hypocrite about many things - most people accept the use of dolphins on shows, "buying" the argument that this helps to develop a general ecological awareness (when actually the life-span of a bottlenose dolphin in captivity can be reduced to a third when compared with a life in the wild) - but free trade should not mean that "anything goes" just because you can buy it cheaper.
many of "us" still use words like "skin-tone" to describe a light pink caucasian skin-tone color (and geobra has done it too).
many of "us" still use the word "ethnic" to describe people with different skin color or hair types (and again, geobra has done this too).

you are right about the chinese theme, it should be called imperial.
i would rather leave it out of the list, though, maintaining only the feudal japanese reference.
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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2008, 02:56:43 »
:hmm: i will insist in the human-rights though, particularly in the child-labour theme.
i would hate that a 10 years old chinese (as an example) boy could be responsible for the production of a toy that my 10 years old child would play with.

China actually does have child labor laws.  The factories we are talking employ adult laborers.  Labor is quite tight in China right now, especially the skilled labor to work in factories that compete for western dollars.

Starving peasants don't make the best workers for a highly efficient, modern factory.  China has a pool of experienced laborers that is growing tighter and more expensive as competition for their services increases (to illustrate: business is shifting to Indonesia because China is becoming expensive).

Granted, these adult workers tend to work grueling hours (10-14 hour days, often no holidays except Lunar New Year, May Day week, and Republic Day week).

But, again, it is better to take these jobs away?  Would these people benefit?  What do they want?

I've traveled around China pretty extensively.  Child labor is illegal and not behind the economic boom.  A slave ring was recently busted in north west China that enslaved men, women, and children.  But this organization worked outside the law (it was a brick factory I think), and was raided by the police.

But, again, I'm a fellow who believes in compromise!  I'll support your desire for socially responsible factories so long as we don't go green!

Think: "edible Playmobil"
"And when your wonderful young ones have finished playing, they can feed their wonderful toys to the little birds, who will chirp thank you, Geobra, thank you for respecting carbon quotas."

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I forgot to add: many of these "factories" aren't what we think of.  For example, the workers who paint smurf figurines take a box of figures home, which they are accountable for, paint them, and bring them back.  They get paid for the number of figures they paint.

-Tim

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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2008, 06:30:49 »
Hey Guys,

If you're serious about pushing this stuff to Geobra, narrow the list down to three really important things.

1) Also, I would advise against the rotating torsos.  A rotating torso will completely change the klicky framework--and possibly we'll get a klicky back that you can't take apart without breaking.  Who really wants a rotating torso?  The rotating wrist was the revolution.  Also, the more moving parts, the uglier the figure will look.  Like knees and elbows with big, ugly joints.

2) Leave the size of the boxes to PM to worry about.  It's in their interest to reduce packaging to save cost, so I'm sure they're doing what they can already.

3) Supports to prevent scratching?  That will increase costs.  You get a lot of scratched klickies?  I think you can throw a klicky at a wall without scratching it.

4) PM already has a number system depicting all internal parts....  if you're wanting separate parts for legs, I think this is a harder sale because for one thing, PM doesn't sell Klickies in pieces, but in full figures.

5) Hairpieces: PM seems to be doing a good job on its own with hair and face variety.  I mean, hasn't somebody documented over 100 face types?

But, seriously, guys, I think the list needs to be narrowed, tightened, and cleaned up.

-Tim



I agree with everything Tim writes, except for part of #4:  Playmobil should include an illustrated part number sheet for Specials, which they currently do not.  It would be good to have a focused list of maybe 5 of the most important (and realistic) items.
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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2008, 04:41:47 »
I agree with everything Tim writes, except for part of #4:  Playmobil should include an illustrated part number sheet for Specials, which they currently do not.  It would be good to have a focused list of maybe 5 of the most important (and realistic) items.

I should have known better when criticizing number 4.  I want to order the Asian woman from the new family set and can't because there is no part number for add-ons...

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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2008, 14:06:40 »
playmofire just confirmed that the official date of playmobil "invention" was 1974.  :wow:
i confess i had doubts because of the 3133-25-years-special-edition-schooner they made in 2001 (2 years later than they should have).  :-[

as some of the ideas that came up have to do with special sets, i was wondering if we could send them to geobra as a "gift" to comemorate the 35 years anniversary.  :yup:

... by the way, i think it is called the coral anniversary - and as corals grow mainly in the caribbean and south pacific, i think this anniversay should see the arrival of new pirate sets (just kidding).
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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2008, 14:17:14 »


Hello, Cachalote ...  :wave:

... by the way, i think it is called the coral anniversary - and as corals grow mainly in the caribbean and south pacific, i think this anniversay should see the arrival of new pirate sets (just kidding). :P

Perhaps, instead, we should all celebrate Playmobil's 35th Anniversary by going to the Caribbean for a February Winter holiday (Playmobil was first introduced at the Nürnberg Toy Fair in February of 1974) ... ;)

All the best.
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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2008, 19:56:41 »
What Playmobil could do better:
Chesty-er klickies.  I'm talking Barbie.  I'm talking klickies that fall forward.  You know what I mean?

i just realized that tim's wishes were already manufactured: her name is the venus of willendorf.  :yup:
she is rather older (c. 30.000 years) than playmobil fugures and a bit taller (11 cm) but she is equally portable and not that essentially different from our loved figurines.  :love:
maybe that's the secret of playmobil success - like the willendorf venus, you can take them with you everywhere.
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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2008, 10:33:30 »
I am actually looking for a copy of that statue to stand in front of some books.

Besides - she looks a bit like someone I love  :love: ... or ...  :wow:

But on a slightly more serious line; don't you miss the magic smile and all the items that our beloved klickies have as well - never mind the customising potential ???


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Re: WHAT COULD BE BETTER WITH PLAYMOBIL
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2008, 12:18:10 »

i just realized that tim's wishes were already manufactured: her name is the venus of willendorf.  :yup:
she is rather older (c. 30.000 years) than playmobil fugures and a bit taller (11 cm) but she is equally portable and not that essentially different from our loved figurines.  :love:
maybe that's the secret of playmobil success - like the willendorf venus, you can take them with you everywhere.
  ;)

Hi Cachalote
Heh, I was reading about icons similar to that just the other day!
She was either the world's first anthropomorphic shrine statue, or the world's first playboy magazine.  It seems our ancestors were more dignified than us, so I'm guessing shrine statue.

PS:
Other great things PM is doing:
Though medieval has miserably tanked, other themes are full of energy.

1) I got my first two fairy theme sets and not only did I like the way they looked, but they drew my wife's interest too.

2) The Egyptian theme is introducing a lot of innovations--new sleeves, shirtless klickies, etc, plus respectable accuracy, given that this is a toy (Pharoah's chariot is reasonably similar to pictures).

3) The dino sets are a lot of fun, and the dinosaurs look good.  Deinochyous ("velociraptor" for movie fans) looks scary and fast!