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The 3781 is one of my favourite PM fire engines (the other is the 3880), partly because of its dayglo orange livery. Now the British fire brigade often refurbishes appliances as they get older (a pump/rescue appliance nowadays can cost in the region of £200,000 or more while specialist appliances such as turntable ladders are dearer still, maybe £300,000 for a state of the art aerial appliance) and in the case of aerial appliances this takes two forms - taking an old chassis in good condition and putting a new ladder on it or taking a ladder in good condition and putting it on a new chassis. What I've done with the 3781 is the first, putting the ladder from the 3879/3182 fire engine on it, plus changes to the livery and adding a pump.

Here we go with the pictures.
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The chassis has been fitted with a pump on one side and a hose reel on the other, giving the machine the capability to be used as a pumping appliance as well as a rescue unit. (Tim-w has also done a very neat conversion on another of my 3781 chassis with a rear-mounted pump which I shall rebody one day.)  The blue lights of the original have been replaced by working ones, connected to a flasher unit within the chassis, with the battery attached underneath the body. The cab area is unaltered apart from detail items such as the map (I suppose we'll move to satnav sometime) and a crew of five is carried usually.
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The ladder from the 3879/3182 was a fairly easy switch, although a ladder rest had to be fitted on the top of the bodywork behind the cab to keep the ladder in place when it was lowered; this was the same piece as used on the 3879/3182 ladder truck.

On one side of the ladder itself, a holder has been fitted to take a short length of suction house which is used to connect the pump to a fire hydrant (no internal water tank is carried) and on the other side of the ladder a ceiling hook is carried. On the extending section of the ladder itself a length of hose has been permanently fitted which is used to conduct water to the water monitor fitted on the rescue cage. When the water monitor is in use, a length of hose running from the pump outlet is attached to the end of the hose fitted to the extending section so that as this is extended upwards the hose from the pump automatically follows it (the pictures "rear detail" and "testing" show this).
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Amongst the equipment carried are some jacking plates which held spread the weight of the appliance on the road surface when the ladder is in use. By spreading the load the jacking plates stop the jacks sinking into the road surface, especially in hot weather. Also carried are some hose ramps which are used to protect the hose when traffic has to go over it.

A more recent addition is the equipment storage behind the cab unit.

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Finally, some detail shots of the headlamps, the two-tones under the bumper (which proved very fragile and are no longer there) and the rear light clusters. The registration plate shows the year of the refurbishment and the original set number.  The Ziegler transfers are actually 1:87 scale but fit in very nicely with the Playmobil scale in this case.

A word, too, on the livery. The idea for the black and silver reflective striping came from a visit to West Midlands Fire Service who had just started using a grey and silver reflective striping which was proving very effective. In daylight the grey looks black and so I made my own version of it.

Finally, a closeup of the helmet markings used in my brigade which, as the idea for CHVFB came from the German volunteer brigades, are based on German practice. The helmets of all fire crew below officer level will eventually carry a reflective silver rectangle on each side and an appliance number on the front. Leading firemen will have a single red stripe on the silver rectangle and sub-officers two red stripes.  The markings for officers (which follow British practice) I will show sometime in another thread.
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Very interesting Gordon!

Just outside my south-facing front door is a dent in the tarmac, cause by a motorbike leaning on its stand on a hot day. One might not realise the tarmac can get hot enough in the UK sun, for this, but it happens.

To clarify, you say a crew of five is carried - so is this a driver, an officer to co-ordinate (front passenger seat) and three regular firemen (seated in the back area of the cab)? You showed six men standing outside the truck, so I am slightly confused.

Presumably each man has a specific duty upon reaching the scene - could you run us through a typical callout to an actual fire, with pictures, naming or numbering the klickies so I can keep track?

The recent Camden Market fire refocussed London's attention on the vital nature of the Fire services, and I have a fire station 100 yards up the road so frequently hear and see the units being called out.

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To clarify, you say a crew of five is carried - so is this a driver, an officer to co-ordinate (front passenger seat) and three regular firemen (seated in the back area of the cab)? You showed six men standing outside the truck, so I am slightly confused.

Presumably each man has a specific duty upon reaching the scene - could you run us through a typical callout to an actual fire, with pictures, naming or numbering the klickies so I can keep track?


Wel spotted, Martin, but I did say a crew of five is carried usually. ;D  I must admit the text is from an earlier posting some years ago when I limited the crew to five because having a full crew of six in with the reflective jackets on made getting them in and out awkward, but six were carried at a push.  However, since these pictures were taken, to overcome the problem of access only the grey uniformed klickies man this appliance and that does allow six to be carried. 

In the British fire service there is only one specialist firefighter and that is the turntable ladder operator.  Most TLs have just a normal two-man cab and usually attend an incident just crewed by a driver (although a new style appliance very similar to the 3781 is coming into use which is multi-functional and I'll post some pictures of one).  Once at an incident, the driver of the TL does his job of turntable ladder operator and crew from other appliances actually go up the ladder and operate the pump if the TL is fitted with one. 

In the case of the 3781, the driver is the TL operator and the rest of the crew take up whatever duties needed, being assigned them by the firefighter in charge, who may be an officer but could be a sub-officer or a leading firefighter (these are the fire service equivalent of NCOs).  The advantage of the 3781 carrying a crew of six is that five crew can be available for firefighting duties when an officer isn't carried.  The disposition then would be driver operating the TL, one firefighter operating the pump and also dealing with communications and acting as overall in charge and two teams of two firefighters each to carry out search and rescue duties and firefighting.  If an officer is carried, then you only have three available for firefighting and rescue work, one of whom will act as pump operator leaving (if needed) and a team of two for firefighting/rescue.
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Hello, Gordon ...

What I've done with the 3781 is the first, putting the ladder from the 3879/3182 fire engine on it, plus changes to the livery and adding a pump.

You are too modest!

Your attention to detail is incredible!

I couldn't help but notice the driver. Was that you, by any chance, in your younger years?
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Thanks for the great photos and another very fine custom.

All the best,
Richard

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Thank you, Richard.  Any modesty is entirely unintentional!  ;D

Detail is something that's always fascinated me, and probably what drew me to Playmobil because of the lengths gone to to put just the right amount of detail in a child's toy.  There is enough to reflect the reality of what is being portrayed, but not so much as to leave room for imagination.  There is detailing and over-detailing, and Playmobil avoid the latter.

The driver is not me in my younger days.  My beard then was black and much smaller than it is now.
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http://www.glosfire.gov.uk/sections/schools/school_firetour_appns.html

A nice site by Gloucestershire County Council showing the typical locker contents of a fire engine.

I'm expecting my first engine to arrive this week, and got the 4180 Fireman Box today, so I hope to pack my lockers appropriately.

I was checking out the reported incidents in London int he past month - most events seem to have 4 engines and 20 firemen in attendance, but some get bigger. The 5 men per engine rule seems to apply universally, though they always say "around 20 firemen", so there may be occasional variations.