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Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« on: February 10, 2008, 18:28:54 »
Hi does anyone / Richard have an estimate of what percentage of sales we adult collectors represent?  Are we less than 1% or sizeable enough to maybe request more representation?

On Playmoboard, Jahme88 from Kansas City is organizing an effort to get PM to agree to exchange Romans with painted arms (released during the production under-run last summer).

I haven't gotten around to sending PM my photo and request but am just generally curious whether we represent a measureable body.  The German collectors obviously have enough presence to have their collector's guide officially promoted by Geobra. 

But we appear to have minimal influence on design decisions (maybe a good thing...)

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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2008, 19:45:47 »


From the demographics that we've seen,

Adults are the number one buyers of Playmobil (for children)!

The number of adults who purchase Playmobil for themselves (as collectors) is fairly insignificant.

It would seem that Playmobil has watched the failure of companies that have catered to collectors and is therefore not very interested in pursuing that market.

It appears that we all have to live with the fact that Playmobil is a toy company manufacturing a product that is bought by adults to be played with by children!

Sorry folks ... Those are the facts!


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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 05:45:01 »
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The number of adults who purchase Playmobil for themselves (as collectors) is fairly insignificant.

I'd agree.  The children outnumber the collectors by thousands to 1.
 

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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 14:29:53 »
Even the adults that do buy for themselves still use the excuse that they are buying for their kid , real or not.
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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2008, 16:08:00 »
Playmobil confirm in their recent press release for the Toy Fair that they receive and read thousands of letters from children every year, and their theme choices are steered by these letters.

All we have to do is write lots of letters, posing as various children around the world, and asking for the themes we'd like to see - and three years down the line we might have them!

Our advantage is we can co-ordinate our campaign.

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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 04:46:28 »
This is the same argument we had with LEGO.  I spoke to the CEO of LEGO a couple of years ago at a LEGO convention.  He stated that LEGO is made as a kid's product.

My question was to him then and now to PM, how do you know if a parent takes their child to a store and buys LEGO or PM sets, how do they know if it is for the child or the parent.

Keep in mind that ultimately it is the parent who buys the product.  Both LEGO and Playmobil do a great job selling the safety factor to parents.

My answer to LEGO was to continue supporting their sets, targeting the child level, but as they have witness visiting the 4 different annual AFOL (adult fans of LEGO) run conventions in the US, give us, the adult collectors, the pieces to build our displays.  And LEGO has done so by making elements available to us in bulk called Pick-a-Brick in their stores and in their online store.  So we can build our creations by using LEGO sets and many extra parts.

Playmobil has done some of this by keeping some parts available from their Direct Sales outlets.  But I think they need to expand the list of items.  Perhaps keeping certain klickies longer depending on sales, continue covering parts we need to expand existing themes.  For instance, it may be too expensive to re-release a western building set, but what if the different parts of that building could be made available?  So one coming into Playmobil for the first time could buy the parts to build a western town for instance, piece by piece.  Many of the building sections were used on more than one building.

One of the major problens I find with the US DS is the unknown.  When I call DS, I give them a list, item by item, they look it up, tell me if it is in stock, how many they have and the cost... then on to the next item.  It would be a lot easier if we could go onto a website, see the items, quantity, the cost per, and click on our choices and move to checkout and finish the transaction.  I often wonder how many pieces I could use, sit on a shelf, unknown til someone asks.

My 2¢ worth...

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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 05:23:17 »
All we have to do is write lots of letters, posing as various children around the world, and asking for the themes we'd like to see - and three years down the line we might have them!

Well, my 8 yr old is VERY interested in writing to Playmobil with regards to what he'd like them to produce (for the past year, ANYTHING steck castle (esp. the old bakery/prison/etc), and a Great Wall of China theme - plus he'd like to see print and media products wrt to Playmobil here in the US); I'll be having him send a hand-written letter along with some pictures of him and brother enjoying their creation).  (think we'll by-pass Playmobil USA and airmail it directly to HQ).

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« Last Edit: February 12, 2008, 05:35:34 by core »
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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 05:33:45 »
This is the same argument we had with LEGO.  I spoke to the CEO of LEGO a couple of years ago at a LEGO convention.  He stated that LEGO is made as a kid's product.

http://www.monocle.com/sections/business/Web-Articles/QA-with-the-CEO-of-Lego/

Check out this 20min video interview (in English) with Jørgen Vig Knudstorp, CEO of Lego - very insightful as to Lego's branding, product tie-ins, product development, production, and looks to me they recognize Lego adult fans AND cater to them.  There's also some interesting factoids, eg, about 12min into the video, he states 67million families in US buy toys, 10million buy Lego,  2million buy 50% of all Lego (he says "there's such a thing as a Lego family") - AND it is this sector that Lego is targeting in exclusion to all the others(!), even if it is already a saturated market).

A $500 Millennium Falcon is not a kid's product  ;)

As for Playmobil, as a board member here had mentioned before it's quite certain the Medieval houses available via DS doesn't gets actively requested for by kids!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2008, 05:40:35 by core »
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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 06:34:08 »
Great interview . thanks core . it sheds light on a subject i have been perplexed by . It is why playmobil does not pursue aggressive marketing in the US .
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Re: Any estimates on what pct of sales we collectors represent?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 06:50:46 »
Hi, LEGO is different, LEGO has products for adults (Technic, Mindstorm, Exclusives for collectors, etc.) you can't compare LEGO with playmobil....