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Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« on: October 16, 2020, 14:01:15 »

I have been looking at the Western fort on the Playmobil website ( both US and German ), and it is... empty!  No soldiers!  In fact, they don't sell them, even separately.

What happened to the US cavalry ( i.e the 'blue coats' )?  I remember they came with it when i was a kid.  Is this yet another example of Playmobil going politically-correct in recent years?  ...Also, what is the point of having a 'fort', without a military?

Note: Playmobil don't seem to have a problem with militarized police ( SWAT / SEK ), complete with full body-armor, shields, gas masks, assault rifles, MRAP vehicles and attack dogs, though.  If this is indeed a case of censorship, are we to conclude that — for example — repressing contemporary urban dissenters is ok, but pacifying the US western frontier, circa 1800, isn't?  ...What gives?!


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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2020, 20:13:24 »
You're right, JPSA, that it's a bit silly that they are still selling the fort but none of its occupants! :lol: The sets were – quite abruptly – removed from the webshops about 3 years ago. This was discussed in great detail in this forum:

https://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=16290.0

ACW is no longer acceptable as a play theme. But, funny enough, the three-soldiers sets have since resurfaced a few times in the bargain basement of the webshop, and then always quickly sell out. They are quite popular with the collectors.

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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2020, 03:51:56 »
ACW is verboten but also conflict with Indians is a no-go area. If you have bluecoats you must have greycoats or Indians, and there are too many people ready to jump down PM's collective throat at the slightest sign of wrongthink. Here's just one example https://www.change.org/p/playmobil-playmobil-stop-being-racist-create-a-world-for-all-our-children-not-just-the-white-ones This just accelerates the trend towards politically safe (for now) Hollywood properties.

You rightly point out the strange inconsistency with the police toys, but I would bet my rarest klicky that we'll see demands to remove those soon enough.
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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2020, 04:37:56 »
Thank you, StJohn and Macruran, for the elucidation.  Well, that's news to me — as I haven't been following Playmobil's evolution very closely over these past 3 to 4 decades, to tell you the truth!

I've got to say, though: this is bullshit!  ...So, let me get this straight: 'Cowboys and Indians' ( though that's just one of the theme's play possibilities ) has effectively been "cancelled" [ strike that: erased, like the troops in the empty fort ] ?!!  ...Yet, for 'Romans vs Egyptians', or 'Pirates vs Blue/Red Coats' ( i.e. French and British ), it's still: "Knock yourselves out, kids!", as far as Brandstätter is concerned?!  For generations, kids — typically boys — have played 'cowboys and indians', and there are loads of movies, series, comics, etc., based around that period in history.  It's even inscribed in a colloquial expression: "Too many cowboys, not enough Indians".

I also find this censorship rather hypocritical coming from Brandstätter, considering the cowboys and indians theme was a huge seller and literally helped put Playmobil on the map in the 1970s.  What gives them now the moral high ground to implicitly impart ethics / history lessons — this, from a 'plastics' manufacturer, no less ( no offense )?!!  I should also point out that Brandstätter doesn't seem to have any issues selling their wares in these formerly conquered western territories.  Go to any Walmart in, say, Texas or Arizona, and I am fairly sure you'll find Playmobil on the shelves!  In many instances, you can also visit the actual forts, next door.

Thirdly, kids — mostly boys, in this case, considering the fort is a prototypical boys toy — won't even apply a historical moral lens to the whole thing, beyond the fact that, to them, the fort is merely a place to defend against the ubiquitous 'bad guys', whoever they are ( not necessarily Indians ).  Once again, I am appalled that typical boy play, usually centered around the subtleties of territorial defense ( from either sides' point-of-view! ), gets penalized.

Finally, why doesn't Brandstätter give parents and kids credit?!  Whatever the moral implications regarding the American Conquest of the West, kids will sort it out and make up their own minds... eventually!  Moreover, I believe kids learn about ethics by experiencing — through play — morally charged, conflictual situations [ historical or not ], and cancelling the dialectics of "Cowboys vs Indians or what-have-you" merely takes a learning opportunity away.  Who knows, this theme might even have sparked, in some kids, a lifelong interest for that particular place and time in history — and beyond!

The vacant "Fort Brave" (!) sure makes one hell of a pathetic and fitting statement about the times we live in, imo.



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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2020, 08:47:29 »
Good points, JPSA. I'm not sure geobra are applying censorship per se, but they have withdrawn toys which won't sell or which will attract criticism, it's a commercial and brand-conscious thing. As a child, I loved playing 'cowboys v indians' with my brothers (with Brittain's Swoppits, alas not PM, which hadn't been invented yet) and watching The Virginian and other Western-themed TV. But the Western genre for children has largely died out, partly because it sometimes promoted ideas which are now considered dodgy.

Sadly, geobra make toys for children, not adult collectors.

By the way JPSA, the expression with which I am familiar is "Too many chiefs, not enough indians". The term 'cowboys' is often applied to people who do shoddy or careless work, as in the advert put out by a Bradford building firm (presumably made up of people of South Asian heritage, or the joke wouldn't work) 'You've tried the Cowboys, now try the Indians.' In which case, perhaps 'Too many cowboys, not enough indians' would be apt!
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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2020, 09:57:44 »
Hi Graham.

You're right regarding the "Too many chiefs, not enough Indians" expression.  Not sure where I got the "Too many cowboys..." from?  But hey, it was late, and I am not a native English speaker!  :)

Anyhow, Geobra makes toys for whoever will buy them ( which includes collectors ).  And even when they're clearly destined for kids, parents still have to clear the purchase most of the time, so adults are in the loop ( hence appealing to grown-ups matters ).  ...I bet most boys would be quite thrilled receiving a properly manned and loaded fort.  My young nephew ( age: 9 ) certainly pointed the fort in the latest 2020 US catalog, as a Christmas-list possibility, recently ( 'had nothing to do with it, though I get the appeal, as a stereotypical if incomplete fortress ).  Also, if Geobra still sells the fort, despite being empty, there must be enough demand for them making money producing the handful of soldiers and accessories that used to go with it. Obviously, they discontinued the cavalry [ note: Indians are still being sold, though ] not because it wouldn't sell, but for political and/or PR reasons ( read: historical western imperialism = bad / but western corporate imperialism globalization = good! ).  ...Heck, they manufacture virtually everything else! :)

The decline of the western genre you pointed out is undeniable, though ( compared to what it used to be ); but on the upside, it never completely went away either, and we periodically get new western-themed video games, series, and movies, including western mixed with other genres ( as in: Westworld, or even Star Wars / The Mandalorian — a space western, of sorts ).  Somehow, the idea, and appeal, of the frontier endures — wherever it is.  I believe to boys, especially.
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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2020, 10:41:43 »
Hi Graham.

You're right regarding the "Too many chiefs, not enough Indians" expression.  Not sure where I got the "Too many cowboys..." from?  But hey, it was late, and I am not a native English speaker!  :)

Anyhow, Geobra makes toys for whoever will buy them ( which includes collectors ).  And even when they're clearly destined for kids, parents still have to clear the purchase most of the time, so adults are in the loop ( hence appealing to grown-ups matters ).  ...I bet most boys would be quite thrilled receiving a properly manned and loaded fort.  My young nephew ( age: 9 ) certainly pointed the fort in the latest 2020 US catalog, as a Christmas-list possibility, recently ( 'had nothing to do with it, though I get the appeal, as a stereotypical fortress ).  Also, if Geobra still sells the fort, there must be enough demand for them making money producing the handful of soldiers and accessories that used to go with it. Obviously, they discontinued the cavalry not because it wouldn't sell, but for political and/or PR reasons ( read: western imperialism = bad / though corporate — most of it western in origin — globalisation = good ).  ...Heck, they manufacture virtually everything else! :)

The decline of the western genre you pointed out is undeniable, though ( compared to what it used to be ); but on the upside, it never completely went away either, and we periodically get new Western-themed series, and movies, including western mixed with other genres ( as in: Westworld, or even Star Wars / The Mandalorian — a space western, of sorts ).  Somehow, the idea, and appeal, of the frontier endures — wherever it is.

I found this page on AmClicks and got excited http://amclicks.org/foro/novedades-playmobil/3-new-licenses/240/. The Western-styled train might possibly make a comback! In addition to the new Indian set on the German site and the return of Western-themed sets like the Ranch Home, the Schoolhouse, the Water Tower and the Windmill; they're might be a resurgence after all!  ;D

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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2020, 13:54:44 »
Anyhow, Geobra makes toys for whoever will buy them ( which includes collectors ).  And even when they're clearly destined for kids, parents still have to clear the purchase most of the time, so adults are in the loop ( hence appealing to grown-ups matters ).  ...I bet most boys would be quite thrilled receiving a properly manned and loaded fort. 

I'm in my mid-30s (so the age of an adult who would be buying a child toys) and even I consider western toys to be a bit quaint. The cultural references were already thin on the ground when I was a kid - The Little House Books (minimal references to Native Americans), repeats of the associated TV show from the 70s, and ancient black and white movies repeated on Sunday afternoons. I struggle to think of anything aimed at children about the 'Wild West' from my childhood. Almost any franchise that did have Western episodes (things like 'The New Adventures of Superman' or 'Back to the Future 3') ignored both The Civil War and Native Americans. Perhaps that's why I never really asked for any Western sets, and didn't quite know what to do with the ones I got (a high-point being the completely inexplicable set of Gold Prospectors). Though I did love the Golden Nugget Saloon.

I think that the Civil War soldiers are quite separate to the 'Cowboys & Indians' theme, Obviously the cut off is generally arbitrary, but I don't think it's particularly appropriate to have identifiable soldiers from such a recent war (and one which continues to be both contested and which affects modern life). Equally I don't think a Boar War or First World War range would be particularly tasteful.

I suspect that the Playmobil Western sets tend to continue is more to do with executive decisions that hard sales data (and the fact that most to of the western re-issues aimed at collectors have often been very heavily reduced, and keep popping back up for sale, suggests to me they were disappointed with the sales)

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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2020, 00:40:19 »
I suspect that the Playmobil Western sets tend to continue is more to do with executive decisions that hard sales data (and the fact that most to of the western re-issues aimed at collectors have often been very heavily reduced, and keep popping back up for sale, suggests to me they were disappointed with the sales)

So how do you explain that Indians are still being sold?  There are currently 9 Indian figures available on the Playmobil.us website ( 4 discrete SKUs ), and they're not discounted either.  With that, one could create a whole tribe!  No cavalry, though, besides the conspicuously empty fort.  ....My guess is that the overall western theme is indeed probably not a huge seller, but likely sells enough to make it worth their while ( which is why the theme never fully goes away — kind of like history ☺ ).  It would be interesting to have access to actual sales figures, though ( for both the US and Europe ).

As far as 'presence on the ground' of this theme, growing up, it depends not just when, but where, one grew up.  I get the sense that the appeal of the western genre has lingered far longer in Europe than in the US, for some reason — to this day ( maybe because it seems 'exotic', part of the "rêve Américain" — in this context: the idealization and mythologizing of the US ).  In comics, growing up in France in the 70s and 80s, we had, for example: Blueberry, The Bluecoats, Yakari and Lucky Luke ( all European / Franco-Belgian made ).  These comics are still published and popular today, afaik; not just in France, but in other European countries as well ( ex: the latest Lucky Luke album is currently a best-seller on the German Amazon ).  In fact, some of these comics were made into animated series for the European market ( Yakari, 2005, and Lucky Luke 2001 ).  And on TV, for kids, in the mid-80s, there was notably Bravestarr ( Filmation ), in both markets ( US + Europe ).  Nowadays, the western genre appears on kids and teens' radar, everywhere, mostly via video-games; many of which are best-sellers (!), like: Red Dead Redemption ( I & II ), Hunt: Showdown, or Call of Juarez ( I thru IV ).  ...It's still there!  The other instances, are western mixed with some other genre ( usually sci-fi or fantasy ), as mentioned, like The Mandalorian recently, for example.  The archetypes of the gunslinger and of the frontier are still very much with us, still.

Also, for a boy, a 'fort' is a 'fort'.  Ultimately, beyond fleeting trend-appeal, it doesn't very much matter which theme it's from, the play-patterns are essentially the same: attack-and-defend, put the bad guys in jail, break them out by hook or by crook, etc.  The western fort, medieval or Asian castles, police or spy team headquarters, are very similar, in this sense:  a fortified place to defend ( with a prison, and usually a secret treasure location, inside! ).  Which is why I suspect my 9 year old nephew spotted "Fort Brave" out of the blue, in the latest catalog, as a Christmas-wish possibility:  it's just a different flavor ( a 'theme' ) of the thing he, and I suspect most boys, like.  Which is why, as an adult, I believe you can't go wrong gifting a — preferably loaded — toy-fortress to most boys: 'western', or otherwise.  They'll know how to play with it! ☺

( Adult appeal: ...Plus, with the western fort, you might get a nice discount!!!  :lol: )


P.S. As far as the timeline's cutoff: it is somewhat arbitrary, indeed.  Though, the conquest of the American West is roughly 200 years old, and we're well-past having direct survivors around ( 8 generations! ).  I also think it shouldn't be up to a 'plastics manufacturer' to essentially take sides in the ongoing culture war, and in so doing, impose their moral views ( hypocritically, imo ), by effectively partly erasing what is now a rather distant chapter in history, but up to parents.  As I said, this theme — actually, we're referring to a sub-theme within the western genre ( "Cowboys and Indians" ) — offers a plethora of learning opportunities — either way: for, or against —, which can grow out of, and extend well beyond, kids' gameplay.  As far as alleged 'dodginess', mentioned earlier, I submit that all themes have dodgy elements — depending on one's point-of-view!  For example, settlers in the early American West might have been thrilled to have the cavalry next door; and, it seems to me, American Indians at the time weren't exactly choir boys plucked from tribal bliss, either ( except in some movies )!  ...So, where should the censorship end?  And by whom?
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Re: Why is the Western Fort empty, and where is the cavalry?!
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2020, 05:47:29 »
the Conquest of the American West is roughly 200 years old

minor factcheck here: the wild west ended around 1910, just over a century ago.
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