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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2015, 08:37:28 »
like HLukas, mine too are on the left, otherwise the bayonets would hit the hats when held over their right shoulders.

Macruran, what you said makes sense to me.
.....maybe when aiming using their right eyes, its bothersome to still see the bayonet when their left eyes are not closed (but like Gordon says, those older type bayonets are fitted into the barrels, so it wont be there in the first place, when aiming).

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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2015, 04:15:32 »
What about Playmobil´s classic bolt-action rifle?
I assume a rod for a cartridge-firing multi-shot rifle only has a barrel-cleaning purpose? And I don´t think it is accurate for the bayonet to be fixed by sliding it over the rod?

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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2015, 08:31:37 »
Some brief internet research has revealed that, with rare exceptions (such as this Mosin Nagant from 1944), most bolt action rifles had bayonets that mounted directly under the barrel, with blade protruding forward beyond the muzzle and the handle usually behind, exactly as our PM rifle has it. Almost all the examples I could find show the bayonet interfering with the cleaning rod to some degree, with a number mounting right over it.

So PM got this one right.

I also found a number of hooked quillons (hilt crossguards), most hooked forwards but at least one hooked backwards like PM's.

Tangentially, my search turned up the fact that the different British Foot Guards regiments (the bearskin guys) have different patterns of buttons on their tunics. The three button pattern on the Fi?ures version of the Guardsman is that of the Scots Guards.

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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2015, 11:15:27 »
thanks Macruran for sharing!

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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2015, 12:54:37 »
Hello Cheng,
Looks like Macruran should also be joining us over at GW-PC!
What do you think?  ;)

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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2015, 13:50:31 »
Hello Cheng,
Looks like Macruran should also be joining us over at GW-PC!
What do you think?  ;)

Oh Richard, Definitely! I don't  ;D know why but I just must be historically correct or at least not totally wrong....

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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2015, 16:49:13 »
I've certainly admired the work on GW-PC for a few years now. I doubt my own meager holdings are up to the standards there though.
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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2015, 17:33:37 »
I've certainly admired the work on GW-PC for a few years now. I doubt my own meager holdings are up to the standards there though.
Macruran,
Don't worry about your "meager holdings", your "research" is more than up to the GW-PC "standards"!

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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2015, 03:48:15 »
I have mine on the left, because it looks better if the soldier has it in his right hand.

like HLukas, mine too are on the left, otherwise the bayonets would hit the hats when held over their right shoulders.

Another bout of googling for "napoleonic marching infantry" has turned up many pictures. In almost every single case the soldiers are carrying their muskets over their LEFT shoulders.

So you can put your bayonets back on the correct side! :D
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Re: on the fixing of bayonets
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2015, 05:30:23 »
Left shoulders?? Any rationale? I have to leave mine as they are now cos I paint my rifle barrels, so my bayonets must not be shifted...how about acw? I hope Americans prefer to do things in the opposite way!

Richard, we enjoy such discussions right...we need more people like Macruran in every forum