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Offline Sir Gareth

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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 19:44:31 »
Hi little Jo,

 Since you seem to know a bit about this site, what are those black heart shaped things at the end of the descriptions of certain sites for. I have been looking at them and they seem to be given to forums is that what they are for?
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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2007, 07:18:54 »
Hm, no, don't know what's about the little hearts. Didn't recognized that they always apears at forum sites. But as you spotted well I think this really could be the reason. (I just thought that these sites are loved much by the creators, but your explanation seems to make more sense.)

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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2007, 12:42:06 »
:)
well, you can vote only once in the same option.
but you can vote in severall options.
5 on 5 on us, on jeepmo, on pete & rob, on playmolivier, on deadeye's dick, on tricornejock, on little jo and on macgayver.
this way, all of my playmofriends should be happy.
i am now going to see the other sites to decide my other votes.
:)

Boo hoo ...  :'(

What? No vote for Bart's Collectobil, Sylvia's Just for Kl!cks, Andi's Klickyworld, Heather's PlaymoDB, Tim's Animobil, Ben's Playmobil Fire Department, Yoyei's Playclicks or my Garden Wargaming ? ...  :P

Just joking, Cachalote ...  :lol:

Actually, I was a bit surprised when Playmobeach asked if they could include my site ... ;)

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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2007, 15:22:48 »
Yes, they contacted me also. I don't mind. It's been kind of amusing how the various sites bounce around in the list one day to the next. Jeepmobil has gone from 36, to 4, to 17, to 12 since being listed.

Could be fun to make a poll or start bets on who will be where on what day  :lol:

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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2007, 18:53:01 »
Hi Playmofriends,

Very debatable voting system !

Only i can say very interesting First Place Pete-and-Rob with 837 votes !

Dont want say more................

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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2007, 19:21:19 »
Only i can say very interesting First Place Pete-and-Rob with 837 votes !

Wow, that's a lot. This morning it has been about 100 votes less ...

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2007, 01:34:17 »
Hi Playmofriends,

Very debatable voting system !

Only i can say very interesting First Place Pete-and-Rob with 837 votes !

Dont want say more................

gentle greets

Andi

Very true , Andi ...

However, I am sure that most, if not all, voting systems are somewhat debatable ... ;)

So, in my opinion, whoever set up Playmobeach certainly must have a lot of courage to create a site that has the potential to generate hurt feelings, induce anger and disappointment as well as invite a lot of criticism.

Perhaps, we should all try to see the humour in the scramble for votes and recognition, while at the same time, for those of us who have websites, realizing that our own website really is the best one on the internet ... :lol:

Even though I am trying very hard to see the humour, I still wonder how Pete and Rob got SO MANY votes ... ??? ...  ;D

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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2007, 09:22:23 »
I don't think it actually works on the number of votes but how people vote when they give their rating from 1 - 5.

The top sites like us here have 3.3 which I'm guessing is a percentage out of 5.

If you study the star ratings some sites might have a lower number of votes and yet be much higher than others with a 3.3 ranking. So the actual figures what you can't see could be 280votes with a 3.38956 % which places it higher than a site with 350 votes with a 3.32465 % rating.

So what I'm trying to say is ignore the number of votes and just look at the star rating's on the leader board.
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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2007, 09:40:01 »
If the voting system is so easy to manipulate, then it could be anyone messing about with it.

The reason Pete and Rob have a high amount of votes could simply be because they have a link to playmobeach on their home page coupled with a high volume of visitors and a large number of supporters. ;)

Jochen, is there a way to make the system more secure so people can not vote more than once? Or does it then become too much work for the webmaster to collect the votes? :-\

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Re: playmobeach.com
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2007, 10:55:18 »
If the voting system is so easy to manipulate, then it could be anyone messing about with it.

Right, definitely anybody could manipulate the order, not only promoting their own favourites on top but also to banish unbeloved or rival sites to the end. (That's what I meant with "voting-wars" earlier in this thread)

The reason Pete and Rob have a high amount of votes could simply be because they have a link to playmobeach on their home page coupled with a high volume of visitors and a large number of supporters. ;)

For sure this might be a reason (don't want to make any further speculations) ... anyway all the discussed so far can be seen quite good at the moment: the unhindered and continious #1 for the last days with a vote of 3.3 (yesterday) and about 800 votes suddenly is on place 52 with 2.8 average votes ...

Jochen, is there a way to make the system more secure so people can not vote more than once? Or does it then become too much work for the webmaster to collect the votes? :-\

Hm, I don't see any feasible solution to do so. I think the site owners already had spend some efforts in thinking about how to vote best. Problem is, that as long as they do not provide single accounts with which you have to log in at the site, you never can ensure that no manipulation is possible. Furthermore the current mechanism based on the IP address isn't also "fair" at all, because it used IP addresse for recognition, if a certain "person" has voted on a site or not. The problem with this is, that in case if two different people are using the same computer, only one of them (the first one) is able to give a vote. This comes even worse on how Internet is used in general. Typically going to the Internet is not done with your computer's IP address but with this of a proxy server or with the one of your cable modem/router etc. On business or larger companies who have a leased line the proxy servers do have fixed IP addresses. This means, e.g. that every person in the corporate network going to the Internet is know at the Internet with the same IP address (i.e. the one of the proxy server). For private households going to the Net, typically DHCP is used from the modem, i.e. the modem is getting periodically differnt IP addresses from their local Internet provider, i.e. although I'm the same person, but in case getting different IP addresses for my router I could vote several times. -- So concluding: mapping the IP address to an identity of a certain person is for sure an easy and practible solution, but not a fair one.

One thing the site owners could do is to reject voting requests coming from the same IP address, but this would also be an unfair solution, because in case I'm using the same Internet provider than another person who had already voted on the site, and I would get his/her IP address from the DHCP server, I suddenly would be restricted to vote on sites which this user already had voted for ... the other way round getting different IP addresses from the DHCP server would also allow me to vote several times on the same site.

So finally concluding, I do not see any method apart from introducing single accounts to prevent from missuse and to provide a fair voting system  :(

BTW, this was the reason why I suggested to display the list in random order for default, and in alphabetic order for finding single sites, and the voting system just as a nice to have feature, because people wouldn't be that focused on where their favourite sites are listed (because either it's random or in alphabetic order).