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Offline Baron Marshall

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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2011, 21:55:21 »
Bingo this is when it has been "unlocked" ... so don't suck on those ones :) the BPA can be ingested from them. But the half life is 1-10 days so theoretically if you quarantined them for 5 half-lifes or 50 days, then they should be safe to eat again  ;)


BTW it was discovered in 1891 so it has been used for a LONG time
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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2011, 22:05:11 »
@blackpearl

I see you take this very serious indeed. And reading your post thoroughly it seems you interpretated my post as ridiculization on the supposition (don't you mean proposition) you stated. This was however not my intention, neither did I want to refute it.

what I was trying to point out, and I shall be more careful now, was the following. When reading these articles about toxins in toys it is seems they are always set up to scare people, rather then to warn them. That is something the media does and it irritates me.

So my argumentation was more like a way of trying to reassure you by giving examples where also toxins are involved, but is not spoken about in general.

So we do agree on the fact I don't want any toxin in my toys either, or my food.  :)

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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2011, 22:05:55 »
Thanks Sylvia, this is what I was hoping for when I started this thread-  I love Playmo, but this BPA thing has been a big topic here in Maine, thanks to our "brilliant" governor...  oops, sorry, no politics-   :-[

But now I know what to say to my crunchy friends when they ask whether they can by PM for their kidlets.   :lol:
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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2011, 22:10:36 »
The short answer is that BPA helps hake plastics shatter resistant, the alternative is more brittle plastic that uses 2-3 times more oil to produce.

You mean a plasticizer?

I just thought BPA is one of the monomers to obtain the polymer (plastic) polycarbonate.

Phosgene + bpa -> polycarbonate

and since the reaction is not 100% some of the polymer still contains a minor amount of the bpa monomer, which can leak out at higher temperature.
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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2011, 22:14:28 »
I suppose you all have a point about everything being a danger

I was moving asbestos the other week - that makes BPA seem about as dangerous as sticking chocolate up your nose! :lol:

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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2011, 22:22:35 »
Hey... that chocolate is dangerous stuff when not used properly  :lol: which reminds me I need to make more chocolate playmo 123s this year... sorry mind wandering.

connifrere; you may be right about that, its been a while since I've worked with the specifics, and my chemical engineer wife is at work down at the atomic site, so I can't bug her about it at the moment  :lol: ...
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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2011, 22:36:46 »
@baron

 :) :) as a confrere your wife and I could figure it out
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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2011, 03:34:38 »
@conn

sorry, I've been on an argumentative roll lately.  It's not you.  My deepest apologies my friend, I did not mean to go on the offensive (or defensive) on purpose.  I see your point and those of others.  All in all, IMO, without actual factual evidence in front of me to refute it, just instinct-wise I don't really think PM poses a significant immediate health risk (or else I'd not let my kids play with them still).

It is interesting to note that the evidence presented about BPA varies depending on the source.  From the few articles I read today, it seems those who present evidence negating any significant danger tend to be from those who have an interest in preserving the chemical industry, while those presenting evidence against it tend to be from organizations that do not have a vested interest in it directly.  And other authorities tend to not want to answer definitively at the risk of making an unwarranted scare which they could be blamed for (if they said it was dangerous), or at the risk of being held liable for personal damages in case the product did end up harming some consumers after they gave an official endorsement of its alleged safety.

As far as I'm concerned, the question is still up in the air, and I think that's the same issue politicians are facing (some of which may also have vested interests related to its continued production).

My main point, though, was to affirm the whole idea of giving serious pause and examining BPA rather than dismissing it so easily (in general, not by anyone in particular).  Sorry if it sounded personal dear conniefrere....I did spend a greater portion of the past 48 hours dealing with a personal argument unrelated to this, but it bled over here in my tone. Sorry!
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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2011, 15:57:32 »
@blackpearl

Thanks for being so sincere. You did not need to apologize, but I appreciate it. I hope everything works out just fine for you on that other matter you mention my dear and wise friend.

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Re: BPA and Playmobil
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2011, 20:17:51 »
I have been forwarded a message from Judith Weingart (Head of Playmobil PR dept) which hopefully will answer any unanswered questions about BPA in Playmobil toys. :)

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We have already been notified of this situation by our PR-agency in the US yesterday. A press information has been prepared and a crisis plan is ready for usage by our US-colleagues. They have decided only to respond to incoming consumer, retailer resp. media inquiries and not actively distribute a press information. We leave this in the experienced hands of our PR agency together with PLAYMOBIL USA.
 
For your personal background information:

 
BisphenolA (BPA) is a structural ingredient of the plastics Polycarbonat. Polycarbonat is used for the production of PLAYMOBIL parts which are transparent, like wind screens, windows, waterfalls and so on.

Furthermore thermoplastic plastic material is used in a broad variety of consumer products, like for example plastic bowls or the inner coat of cans. When being heated BPA can migrate from the materials in which it is included.

BPA has been discussed with regard to baby bottles. This is a completely different usage than toys. Baby bottles are heated and used to contain hot liquid food for babies. PLAYMOBIL toys when regularly used are not heated and not used to contain food. BPA is structurally firmly incorporated in transparent PLAYMOBIL-parts and thus doesn’t harm the health of children while playing.

The State of Maine has passed an additional law to the existing national laws asking manufacturers of toys to declare if their products contain BPA. PLAYMOBIL USA has complied with this requirement end of September and sent a list of PLAYMOBIL toys including transparent parts and thus including BPA. This list is now being published and used to affirm PLAYMOBIL would offer toxic toys. This is not the case.

As you know PLAYMOBIL-toys are safe and it is our top priority to not only provide fun play but also safe play.
 
Hope this helps to better understand the situation.
 
Best regards
Judith


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So if this was just forwarded, that means that they're watching and monitoring. (?)