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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 14:22:28 »
Hi there,

Yes...selecting 'Personal' for Paypal payments means that the recipient of the money does not get charged for the transaction.

Also, when sending abroad if you mark the customs form as a 'Gift', it will often mean the recipient does not get charged for import tax etc. I guess each country is different, but here in the UK the first approx $40 of a gift is free of tax, but they often include the shipping price in that $40!! They don't call it Rip Off Britain for nothing  :lol:

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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 14:26:49 »
. . . . As far as the customs form, lowering the value of the items to save on import taxes would be dishonest and probably illegal.

So true!  My own rule of thumb is that the customs value is whatever the recipient has paid for the item(s) but not including shipping costs.  So a set that originally cost $10 but which the person bought from you on ebay for $50 would be valued at $50 because that is what was paid for it while a pile of odd bits that you are sending to a friend for free would be called a gift (but you would still have to declare a value for the items.)
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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 14:35:23 »
Yep, same here. However, if the person has had you take it out of the boxes and throw them away to save on shipping, that also arguably lowers the value of the items somewhat.
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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2012, 15:10:21 »
For domestic shipping in the US I always use Priority Mail, if it's more expensive than Parcel Post it's usually only a little bit and the odds of safe arrival are much higher and faster with Priority. You need a reasonably accurate weight - but only to the next pound. The cost for 1 pound 1 ounce and two pounds even are the same. Two pounds and one ounce puts you into the next higher price. If there is usually someone home when your mail carrier comes around then you have the option of asking them to take the packages for you. You can do this as part of the online postage but need to remember to set the shipping date to the next day since it wont go out until they pick up from you then. This is how I do all my retail shipping at work

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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2012, 01:23:59 »
This rule may be different in various areas, but in my neck of the woods (Boston) we can put Priority Mail packages with online-generated paid postage labels into a package-only drop box at the Post Office - the lobby where the box is located is also open 24/7, which is very convenient.   :)  There are also FREE Priority Mail shipping boxes and envelopes available for the taking at the Post Office. 

According to usps.com, anything over 13 oz. is supposed to go directly to a postal employee. They may be bending the rules in some areas though.

IMO, Playmobil is too lightweight to make flat-rate worth it. After a few packages, you would end up spending more than you would for a cheap kitchen/postal scale.

As far as the customs form, lowering the value of the items to save on import taxes would be dishonest and probably illegal.
It's definitely illegal - falsifying government forms and all that. The value should be what was paid for the item, minus shipping costs.

Also, when sending abroad if you mark the customs form as a 'Gift', it will often mean the recipient does not get charged for import tax etc.
Depends on the country. The US, for instance, lowers the cut-off before custom fees kick in if the package is marked as a gift.

For domestic shipping in the US I always use Priority Mail, if it's more expensive than Parcel Post it's usually only a little bit and the odds of safe arrival are much higher and faster with Priority.
Yeah, Priority is better than Parcel Post. I find First Class is reliable and tends to arrive as fast as Priority (except around Christmas), but it's limited to lighter items. It would work if someone only requested a few figures though.

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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2012, 06:55:27 »
According to usps.com, anything over 13 oz. is supposed to go directly to a postal employee. They may be bending the rules in some areas though.

Hi again, Ismene!  Not bending the rules at all - a domestic package with a Priority Mail label generated online or at a self-service postal kiosk (and, therefore, paid for by a credit or debit card) can be placed directly in the chute and does not need to be handed over the counter.  Here are a few references from the USPS FAQs pages:

I thought all packages weighing at least 1 pound had to be taken to a Post Office retail associate. Will that be an issue with the Automated Postal Center?

Absolutely not. By limiting payment options to credit and debit cards, the mail is traceable by the Inspection Service, is accepted at any weight and does not require you to present to a Post Office retail associate.  The only exception is International Mail – any package over 16 oz. (1 lb.) must be presented to a retail associate at a Post Office.


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Priority Mail® packages weighing over 13 oz. with postage paid by stamps must be taken to a clerk at a local Post Office.
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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2012, 07:09:10 »
Okay, then they must have changed it to accommodate online shipping. That makes things more convenient.  :) I wonder if they have amended the signs at our main post office yet.

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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2012, 09:45:35 »
most things have allready been mentioned. But, i would always ship insured. IF it get's misplaced or damaged, you'll always be able to reclaim the damages.
Without insurance, you wouldn't. I've had it once to the UK. Buyer didn't want insurance and i had him write this to me explicitly, to cover my butt.

I re-use packaging whenever possible, but always ship inside a box for larger items.
I'd be honest on the customforms. If someone bought something from you, name it as t is. If it's used -> used toys. When new, write -> toys.
Always be honest about the value on custom forms, be also be smart.

For instance: the stuff you're sending me: I didn't buy it from you, you are just sending it to me. Hence it's a gift, because there was no transaction. As for the value, it would be approx. what it would cost me second hand.
If i'd bought it from you, then this wouldn't be the way to go. Get my point?  :hmm: (i kinda lost myself here...)
« Last Edit: November 15, 2012, 14:41:13 by bonniebeth »

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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2012, 16:43:49 »
hi rasputin, i operated a 'publishing' business - completely unrelated to toys of any sort - for 12 years. in addition to working with shops and distributors, we did a great deal of mailorder so i guess i have some experience with the logistics of shipping and streamlining the process as much as possible.

domestically, the usps continues to fare poorly. rates will continue to rise and specialty services will go up. it remains a good way to move packages and, often, better than their reputation suggests. it is always worth considering the alternatives, however, especially on heavier items. fed ex is a better value than ups but not always as convenient depending on your location.

if using usps, always ship with delivery confirmation when shipping domestically. it puts a little more responsibility on usps although if a package goes missing, it's missing and, at times, a carrier doesn't scan the number.

if you anticipate shipping a lot on a regular basis, there are a handful of companies you may want to look at working with to buy your postage such as endicia.com. where i live, the post office is notoriously inefficient with many unfirable employees who only contribute to the general frustrations of going into their physical shop. we found early on that doing everything from our location was the best way to go. automating your shipping and customs expenses is key. companies like endicia help to facilitate this. i am sure there are many others now as i has been a few years since we shut down.

invest in a thermal printer. you can use this to print your entire address, customs form, postage and delivery confirmation. many refurbished thermal printers are available second hand.

a scale, of course. they are cheap and widely available. they all come from china. you don't need a branded digital scale. thoe are all just rebadged anyways. i bake quite a bit and my scales are essential to making the bread making process go quickly. i will, at times, use that same scale for items up to, i believe, 20lbs.

there are usb scales that you can plug right into your computer. this could allow you to skip the process of committing a weight to memory or writing it down before preparing your shipment.

the postman is your friend. if he isn't, make it so. people are people and if a bond is there to be forged, your carrier may be willing to take your shipments to the post office during his mail route. this will save you a trip.

if you do have to make that trip, bring your goods around to the back of the post office. you may be met with stares at first but if you indicate that these are aleady metered packages, someone should advise you where to place your goods.

as for packaging, reusing is good for the environment and the wallet. double walled boxes are best - this, for instance, is what most electronics are shipped in. alternatively, you can double box but this will add to the overall weight and expense - especially for overseas shipping.

if you expect to be shipping a lot of single box 'special' figures, it may not hurt to invest in some new boxes. hardbound book mailers would be perfect. for a start, try looking at uline.com. this will give you an idea of pricing and they have a presence all over. similarly, a roll of bubble wrap is also a wise investment.

at the end of the day, you may end up tacking on $1 or so for these packing materials but i'm sure people would welcome that over a damaged box.

finally, as for co-ops, i am a member of one and the participants will also tack on paypal fees if this is principally how you expect to get paid. ultimately, with fees and charges in this environment, i suspect the goal is true transparency so nobody feels gypped.

i hope this helps.
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Re: Efficent shipments of Co-ops
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2012, 19:51:23 »
Thank you all for the info, it is very helpful
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