Author Topic: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)  (Read 3628 times)

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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2012, 10:09:41 »
What ARE we trying to ID?

(I'm confused. Maybe you're right and I'm not fully awake :P )

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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 10:40:40 »
our last hope is when Tahra wakes up.....maybe some of you might like to turn the 'medallion' upside down and the hole might make more sense (although the photo is already with the correct side up)

Turning things upside down to make sense of them reminds me of being back at work with the management we had! 
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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 00:37:03 »
its a 'Tsuba' or hand guard...hope its ok to show these 2 pics here, otherwise, MODs, please delete or tell me to :P

...ask we can see...the narrow/sharp/cutting edge of the sword is facing upwards (most western single-sided cutting edge swords would be hung/worn with the cutting edge facing down....hope I'm not causing a new confusion here? :P)

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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2012, 08:54:49 »
Ah, all is understood now, cheng - I can see what it is.
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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2012, 09:20:17 »
but I'm still curious as to why they filled up the second hole in both the metal handguards photos ??? 

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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2012, 16:50:46 »
That was my guess! Though I learnt the name just now.  Thanks Cheng, you unfathomable pit of Culture!
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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2012, 20:41:39 »
Amazing! :wow:
As always I love your customs Cheng! :clap:

Very impressive, cheng, and thanks, too, for the background information.  But if different samurai used the same insignia, wasn't there a risk that an enemy would kill the wrong one?  And did it ever happen that two samurai using the same insignia might be fighting on different sides?

My guess, Gordon,
is that very much the same thing happened with the Samurai and their insignias,
as what happened with the knights of Medieval Europe had to do with their Heraldry.
Knights in medieval Europe would be able to recognize, just from looking,
what heraldry belonged to who.

This was due to a combination of study, and of meeting people on the battle field.
Knights would have to know the heraldry of their lord, their vassals,
their fellow knights from the nearby provinces
(baronies, dukedoms, and counties, as well as minor noble's lands),
And any family friends or enemies.
You would begin learning at a very early age, most likely when you were a page.
Since even most of the nobility couldn't read and write
until the later parts of the medieval times,
Their squires and pages would have to learn the heraldry of different knights
in order to pass along letters or gifts from their lord, to the right person.

And this was done,
Even in the SCA (the medieval recreational group I attend)
people know the heraldry of all the knights in their own kingdom
and the heraldry of some of the larger household from all over the society.
At a large war last year I was able to listen while my Baron pointed out and named,
Not only the households, but some of the people in the households
and the heraldry of more prominent knights.

So my guess is that the samurai had to do much the same.
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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2012, 00:37:47 »
thanks too WOT, for sharing your knowledge!
interesting to know these parallels existed then, across the vast seas without internet connection  ;)
...likewise in Samurai armies, starting with the Shogan, then daimyos, これは死にあなたを退屈させるでしょう :P

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Re: Trying out new Jingasa (Samurai iron helmets)
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2012, 01:32:28 »
Aye, but there were still many differences between feudal Japan and Medieval Europe. :lol:
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