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Offline Timotheos

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Re: PLAYMOBIL called China toy on TV
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2008, 11:28:16 »
No, it's about the poor record of the Chinese Government over human rights abuses.
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I take it that this is the next stage - boycott Chinese products and you're hurting the Chinese Governement. Of course you're not, you're hurting the factory workers, the very people you're trying to help, so such boycotting is misguided.

Basically, people on the forum who propose we as collectors impose informal trade sanctions against China are using the forum for political advocacy.

Also, judging from threads I've read, many advocates overstate conditions in China, depicting it as a gulag and death camp.  The conditions of France's unemployable Algerian immigrants and Germany's large swathes of Turkish unemployment are not so far removed from the plight of China's low-income labor force (and it is the rural farmers who are not benefitting from China's boom--the factory workers who people advocate we stonewall are the ones moving up in life).

I'm married to a Chinese woman and have been to China many times.  China has a vibrant, upwardly mobile urban population like any so-called Western country (Japan is a "Western" country, right?).  It is the farmers who are getting the shaft.  The state owns their land, so they can't use their property to secure bank loans.  Without capital, they have few means to invest in business ventures or otherwise improve their lot.  Worse, corruption in the provinces, less publicized than urban problems where an increasingly prosperous population has more clout, makes the lot of farmers even harder.

I see the anti-Chinese bashing on the forum as racism because my experiences have taught me that whites have a general distrust of Asians, who we have a tradition of regarding in a derogatory fashion--ie. images of old Shanghai with its pidgin-yapping Chinese servants; we have a general perception of associating Asia with lower quality (until the 1980s, Japan was also regarded as a source for cheap junk).   

Even the reference to WWII Richard light-heartedly mentioned is somewhat telling (even though I realize he intended it as a joke)--we also fought the Germans in WWII, but most of that old animosity has run its course--why?  Because we're all the same ethnic group.  We think of ourselves as a single culture.  Whereas the Asians are "foreigners" and easily identified by their physical appearance.

For its political ends, American congress is getting its money-worth out of the recent toy-scare from China.  Labor unions, who regard China as a competitor, also have an interest in stirring anti-Chinese sentiments.  That, coupled again with the likely fact that whites regard Asians as outsiders, makes the temptation to China-bash very enticing.

Anyway, this is clearly me standing on a soapbox, but--

If we intend to use the forum for political advocacy, we have to assume those with counter-political views will push back with their own messages.

-Tim



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Re: PLAYMOBIL called China toy on TV
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2008, 13:08:02 »


Hello, Timmy ...  :wave:

If we intend to use the forum for political advocacy, we have to assume those with counter-political views will push back with their own messages.

I sincerely hope that no one is intentionally "using the forum for political advocacy" ...

When Sylvia created Playmofriends, she created a firm set of guidelines for all of us to follow.

Most of us know (many through experience) that controversial topics, such as politics and religion, can have an extremely negative impact on a forum.

From time to time, it would probably be a good idea for all of us to revisit the Playmofriends guidelines.

Number 4. seems particularly relevant to this topic's discussion:
4. Members come to PlaymoFriends primarily to relax, socialize, and enjoy their hobby in the company of people who share their interest. Therefore, we ask that, in general, you refrain from discussing politics, religion, or other controversial topics. Should such a topic naturally arise, we must insist that only respectful, polite comments be posted and that extra consideration is taken to avoid insulting or rude posts. Hurtful behavior will not be tolerated, for the good of all.

IMHO ... I think that everyone, thus far, has made only "respectful, polite comments." However, to avoid the possibility of any negative escalation, I would like to suggest, that perhaps we should refocus our discussion on our little smiling Klickys ... ;)

All the best,
Richard



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Re: PLAYMOBIL called China toy on TV
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2008, 13:52:09 »
Basically, people on the forum who propose we as collectors impose informal trade sanctions against China are using the forum for political advocacy.

We may be talking at cross purposes here. I'm not proposing informal trade sanctions against China, and I don't think Lars or Cachalote are either.

I'm suggesting that that was the purpose of the TV proramme segment Lars reported on. I didn't see the programme, so I could be wrong, but that seems a logical conclusion from the information provided. It may be that they were reporting on lead in toys or something else. What annoyed Lars, and myself, was that Playmobil figures NOT made in China were included as examples of toys made in China.

My comments were intended to demonstrate how silly such an anti-Chinese sentiment is, and doubly so when the toys aren't even made in China in the first place. I can't see how you jumped to accusations of racism, and re-reading the thread I still can't.

I think we're all on the same side of the discussion. The Chinese state (owing land which should be owned by the farmers) is the problem, and the corruption in the system as you mention, not the people. 

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Re: PLAYMOBIL called China toy on TV
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2008, 15:30:57 »
You're totally right there, Martin.
 I'm not against China (or any other nation). I'm only against bad journalists, who don't do their job good enough.
In this Danish programme we are talking about here, they talked about whether you should stop buying Chinese or continue. They came to the conclusion that it was up to each consumer, what they would do.

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Re: PLAYMOBIL called China toy on TV
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2008, 19:37:43 »
To be fair, I think in all the countries in which we, the bloggers, live, many inmigrants from poorer countries are overexploited, more so if they are undocumented. And also, in all of them, there is unemployment, worst affecting the minorities, of course. :-\