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General => Collector's Corner => Topic started by: playmogal on November 14, 2011, 14:25:33
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Like other collectors here, the problem of sufficient space is growing each day....where to store sets I am not playing with is becoming a big issue for my family.
Having read the comments in Flatcat's thread about the importance of not alienating the rest of the family, I realized it is time to develop a storage plan that leave most of our common areas free of our toys. Hubby's N-scale train models end up all over the breakfast area and my PM clogs up the dining room; mixed with a home office where we both work much of the time, this ain't good! Plus it is starting to freeze at night, and we had to bring inside the houseplants on the balcony the past six months.
Our 2600 s.f. (300 s.m.) downstairs area is under construction and may be used as an apartment by the kids when they finish university in May. So storing everything down there is no longer an option.
So I am forced to store much of our collections in 18 gallon (82 l.) Rubbermaid containers, which do stack well and are easy enough to lift unless packed too heavily. These are available for 9USD at several chain stores.
Hubby came up with the idea of laying plywood on the rafters above our 600 s.f. (60 s.m.) garage, and adding a hoist that can lift the containers above the pull down stairs . Last weekend he laid the plywood and built a rail around the edges to keep boxes from sliding off the plywood and falling through the insulation and sheetrock in the ceiling below like an electrician misstepped and put his leg through our living room ceiling a few years ago.
We have three collections to store and are starting with L first because it is the largest and is played with the least. Most of these containers are on the garage floor awaiting final sorting and hoisting up to the attic once the hoist is complete.
My question (for you more experienced collectors) is will the temperature extremes in the attic space affect the PM sets store in Rubbermaid containers with tops? In the winter the min temp is about freezing. In the summer this space heats up to around 130 F even with some huge eyelids opening to the outside and a ridge top vent. We have tried various exhaust fan systems, but they seem to make little effect in this massive attic area with a 20 ft plus ridge line.
I hesitate putting much of my collection up there until I know it is safe for the sets. We are fortunate that the attic is dry and has no mold problem. Thanks for your input, Pgal :wave:
(photos to follow in a day or two)
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I'm facing the same problem, Playmogal (if temperature extremes are no issue then there's no problem at all) ;D ;D
So, awaiting input from others too...
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I think it's perfectly fine to store Playmobil in the loft - I store some of my collection in a shed in the garden.
The only things I wouldn't recommend leaving in the cold are any boxes or instructions/papers etc
Over time these get distorted and ruined in the temeperatures in a loft or shed.
Damo :)
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I would say that some plastics will take it better than others. Some rubbery plastic could crack or get sticky with extreme cold and heat tempreratures. Im thinking for instance about the willow leaves.
I would also leave out of there paper instructions and fabric (tents, carpets, sails)
my :2c:
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agree with all posts... HEAT WILL BE a problem if it is too hot... cold wont be... unless its more than 30 below... and then it is only a problem if you dont heat the plastic back up slowly... I could give details but it might be too graphic :lol:
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Oh yes, I forgot to say I always keep all the material things inside, like Gaston mentioned
Damo :)
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Well, I don't think the cold will hurt it one bit, but like others have said, heat is a problem. I'm in Louisiana, and as you know, it is HOT and humid... our attic gets to extreme temperatures in the summer.
Well, my childhood playmo was stored in our attic for many years, and did suffer a few ill effects. The biggest problem I had was that the walls of the western buildings twisted and warped, so that it is now very difficult to make them fit together. And it made other pieces very brittle.
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Thanks for the info, folks!
So it looks as if cold is not a problem if items are warmed up slowly before they are used, and softer pieces and paper products are not stored in the cold.
As far as heat goes, I am wondering at what temp it becomes a problem. The temp is lower where the containers will be stored on the floor and the highest near the top of the attic space. We have equipment that could chart the temp there and see what it does over the seasons keeping an eye for highs that are too high once we know what is too high.
If any of you have noticed heat damage from storing containers in the attic, could you give me an idea of what the highest temp may have been if you have any record of it? I am not clear if it is the highest temp or the longer exposure to somewhat lower temps that does the damage. Has anyone come across data from PM revealing this info?
Also has anyone noticed any damage to their L sets in high temp storage? We have more L than P containers, so this could be the more critical info.
If we absolutely have to, we may be able to store many containers in a large second bath/utility room downstairs that probably would not get much use.
Thanks again, Pgal :wave:
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Wait... now that I think about it.... you have a 900 square meters "downstairs" and you run out of space?
How much furniture do you guys have!? :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
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Ooooops! My mistake!
It is a total of 300 s.m. downstairs, but most is taken for a bathroom, kitchen/ living/dining area, two bedrooms and my son's gym room.
And as Flatcat so aptly stated, we can't fill up the personal spaces of other family members with our hobbies because they have different interests, Pgal
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The damage to my playmobil personally was not from cold -- it doesn't get cold enough here to make the attic cold. It stays warm from the heat rising from the ground level. The damage to mine was from the heat, but it was extreme heat. Our temperatures are frequently over 100 here, and the attic probably hits 150 degrees. It's hot enough up there to be in serious danger of passing out after just a few minutes, and hot enough that it destroys wooden furniture... warping and lifting the varnish off and loosening the glue on it. So it's extreme heat you need to look out for.
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i think that optimally you want to store it between 120 F and -20 F for almost everyone this should not be a problem... we got to -30 F up here last year one day though and a plastic item (a flashlight not a PM, similar plastic though) was brought into the house directly from outside and it shattered... it was cool ;D
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oooh... that is cool!
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... i think that optimally you want to store it between 120 F and -20 F for almost everyone this should not be a problem...
erm ... that's nearly - 30 Celsius. I can't believe it would be that cold here ;-)
So ... my collection should be safe in the gardenshed ... :-[
Bogro
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Yup, the weather can be a true pain in the neck. The lowest temp I have lived in is -72F in Fairbanks, Alaska, and the highest was 132F in KKMC, Saudi Arabia.
That is why we live in a more temperate climate now! And I am sure that our toys appreciate this fact as well, Pgal :wave:
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i recomment a playmo humidor ;D
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Have you ever smoked a Klicky....
i recomment a playmo humidor ;D
Parts of my collection are stored in our garage, so between -5 centigrade to +30 centigrade
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Yall are very funny!
We do run humidifiers during part of the winter if it gets too dry. Not sure how this affects Klickys...has anyone noticed them acting differently with a humidifier on? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Temps can be a real problem when it comes to storing things, for sure, Pgal
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The playmo 123 kind love the humidity... swim around in the tub every chance they get... but the regular ones grumble about it a little... especially the Indians (because of the tepees getting musty) the maids (on account of the carpets) and the pirates (because their sails). :lol:
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agree with all posts... HEAT WILL BE a problem if it is too hot... cold wont be... unless its more than 30 below... and then it is only a problem if you dont heat the plastic back up slowly... I could give details but it might be too graphic :lol:
This is exactly right. Heat is the biggest danger to Playmobil's type of plastic, especially the older types. It will accelerate discoloration, & can contribute to premature aging. The additives of ABS plastics will start to leach from with in the plastic.
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The additives of ABS plastics will start to leach from with in the plastic.
:o :o :o
I'd better get a Hazmat suit on! :lol:
Damo :)
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:o :o :o
I'd better get a Hazmat suit on! :lol:
Damo :)
If your Steck & old fire truck grey parts are yellowing, you'd better Damo :lol:! In all seriousness though, there was discussion regarding the reason computer casings & other ABS plastics discoloration happened & it was chemically decided that the additives for making the plastics nonflammable caused most of the yellowing with heat releasing the additives. Tobacco smoke was another culprit, hence the need to bleach them in H2O2. My Playmobuilding AC is set to not let the temp go above 95 degrees Fahrenheit.
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BB: That is SCARY info! Maybe I should wear a swimsuit and sit in a lawn chair in our attic on hot days drinking a Smoothie and running a few fans to cool down the place....better yet, maybe I'll have to take all of the Klickys for a swim in a cool, shaded pool!
Actually the info about the additives breaking down is quite interesting. Any idea what temp qualifies as too hot? What will we have to worry about next? Beats me, Pgal :wave:
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If your Steck & old fire truck grey parts are yellowing, you'd better Damo :lol:! In all seriousness though, there was discussion regarding the reason computer casings & other ABS plastics discoloration happened & it was chemically decided that the additives for making the plastics nonflammable caused most of the yellowing with heat releasing the additives. Tobacco smoke was another culprit, hence the need to bleach them in H2O2. My Playmobuilding AC is set to not let the temp go above 95 degrees Fahrenheit.
I'm scared now! :0 :0 :0
Is this dangerous to our health?
Damo :)
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BB: That is SCARY info! Maybe I should wear a swimsuit and sit in a lawn chair in our attic on hot days drinking a Smoothie and running a few fans to cool down the place....better yet, maybe I'll have to take all of the Klickys for a swim in a cool, shaded pool!
Actually the info about the additives breaking down is quite interesting. Any idea what temp qualifies as too hot? What will we have to worry about next? Beats me, Pgal :wave:
I think it varies on temp, mostly it has to do with length of time exposed to extreme conditions. Months laying there without a break in heat would be the most hazard to a collection. The way I have started to look at it is, if it's too hot for you to stay exposed to the heat, your Playmobil will start to suffer too. How big is your bed Pgal? Got Room?
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Well, I think that storing it in the attic is fine. The plastic can probably withstand extreme temperatures, but keep it sealed in the Rubbermaid bins, as insects can crawl into unsealed boxes.
Hope this helps,
PlaymoMan :wave:
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The basement is totally different! It being underground regulates the temp, keeping it fairly moderate to cool. An attic can get extremely hot!
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How big is your bed Pgal? Got Room?
*sniggers
I just don't know what to say! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damo :)
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The basement is totally different! It being underground regulates the temp, keeping it fairly moderate to cool. An attic can get extremely hot!
Whoops, I just realized that! :-[
I edited that part out...
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The basement is totally different! It being underground regulates the temp, keeping it fairly moderate to cool. An attic can get extremely hot!
Oh yeah! Put a thermometer in an attic & watch it during a day when the temp is 95 to 103 degrees outside & see what an attic gets to, then think about those poor, pooooor Klicky's, sweating in those plastic bins,.....screaming,.....help us, ooooh please help us, call 911, we're meeeelting :'(! :omg:
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Our house doesn't have a basement :-\
Perhaps I can just take up the floorboards and stash the Playmobil under them in those cavities between the floor and the foundations!
Damo :)
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I'm scared now! :0 :0 :0
Is this dangerous to our health?
Damo :)
That's a very good question Damo, I wonder if it could be any worse than if there is BPA used in Playmobil's plastic formula & the contact over time it would have. ???
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Oh yeah! Put a thermometer in an attic & watch it during a day when the temp is 95 to 103 degrees outside & see what an attic gets to, then think about those poor, pooooor Klicky's, sweating in those plastic bins,.....screaming,.....help us, ooooh please help us, call 911, we're meeeelting :'(! :omg:
Those poor, poor, klickies! I can imagine the cries for help slowly fading away as they melt into plastic goo...
Just kidding. :lol:
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That's a very good question Damo, I wonder if it could be any worse than if there is BPA used in Playmobil's plastic formula & the contact over time it would have. ???
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If there was anything possibly dangerous in the plastics then surely it would have been re-called years ago :)
Damo :)
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If there was anything possibly dangerous in the plastics then surely it would have been re-called years ago :)
Damo :)
BPA was just discovered as a possible controversial health issue, & has been recently removed from many baby feeding bottles, plastic drinking cups, etc. My wife just bought a travel cup today that had a label "BPA FREE".
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Those poor, poor, klickies! I can imagine the cries for help slowly fading away as they melt into plastic goo...
Just kidding. :lol:
I couldn't help it :giggle:! I was remembering that ending scene in the WiZARD of OZ! :lol:
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BPA was just discovered as a possible controversial health issue, & has been recently removed from many baby feeding bottles, plastic drinking cups, etc. My wife just bought a travel cup today that had a label "BPA FREE".
I just googled it! And this is what is in Playmobil? I presuume we are safe from it if we don't go licking it?
Damo :)
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I just googled it! And this is what is in Playmobil? I presuume we are safe from it if we don't go licking it?
Damo :)
You mean you don't kiss & lick your Playmo Damo? :lol:
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You mean you don't kiss & lick your Playmo Damo? :lol:
I'm making out with my fire trucks often, but I didn't think I could catch something from toys as well! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damo :)
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You mean you don't kiss & lick your Playmo Damo? :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I kiss and lick my Playmo EVERY day! ;) :lol:
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Tell you what, I have to start 3 hours earlier every night to kiss my entire PCFD fire department collection before I go to bed :loco:! :-*
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Tell you what, I have to start 3 hours earlier every night to kiss my entire PCFD fire department collection before I go to bed :loco:! :-*
I can see it now! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damo :)
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:lol: :lol: :lol: you have quite a harem, huh, BB?
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I can see it now! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damo :)
Betcha can't! ;)
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Betcha can't! ;)
Oh, you've really got me thinking now ;) :uhoh: :-X
;D
Damo :)
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Oh no? You do know your web cam is on and we've hacked in, right? >:D
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Hang on.. what's that he's doing...
:omg: :omg: :omg:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Damo :)
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Oh no? You do know your web cam is on and we've hacked in, right? >:D
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Love/kiss-106.gif) Really?
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:lol: Eeeewwww!!! :0
I think we've gone (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Signs/offtopic-929432.gif) again. :-[
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Yes mam, I apologise :-[! To sum it up, & back on topic, heat is bad for Playmobil collections! So listen to your Klicky's, they don't want to be subjected to hot atmosphere's! 'ELL NO, WE WON'T GO! 'ELL NO, WE WON'T GO! New protest platform! :)9 Thank you for your support!
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=9533.msg174233#msg174233
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:lol: :lol: :lol: I love it!
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This is the subject of ABS plastic & yellowing.
http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/
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I think it varies on temp, mostly it has to do with length of time exposed to extreme conditions. Months laying there without a break in heat would be the most hazard to a collection. The way I have started to look at it is, if it's too hot for you to stay exposed to the heat, your Playmobil will start to suffer too. How big is your bed Pgal? Got Room?
BB: This is hysterical!!!! Can't bear to see my Klickys suffer......
Our bed is king sized (80 x 78 inches), and hubby takes up about 2/3 of it. Not much space in my meager part of the bed for a horde of Klickys. Looks like we gotta come with with Plans B-Z to explore the options. Surely you can dream up 25 other plans as options to Plan A!
Waiting, Pgal :wave:
OOOOPSS! I did forget there are two medium sized drawers under the bed, so I guess we'll have to sleep on top of my Klickys guarding them from your hoards of marauding and invading centurions, knights, grave robbers, bank robbers, special agents, Nuremberg guards, dino adventurers, poachers, cowboys, Indians, astronauts, aquanauts, farmers, royalty of various stripes, renegade police and fire and rescue squads., etc. (I apologize for whomever guys yall collect that I left out of the list of bedroom invaders.)
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i think that optimally you want to store it between 120 F and -20 F for almost everyone this should not be a problem... we got to -30 F up here last year one day though and a plastic item (a flashlight not a PM, similar plastic though) was brought into the house directly from outside and it shattered... it was cool ;D
Yeah, very funny and amusing things happen when it hits about 40F Below. Your tires freeze flat and wobble along the road trying to warm up IF you plugged your battery warmer in AND it magically came on two hours before you tried to start your car.
Would hate to subject a PM Smart Car to this test; it could be difficult locating its hidden battery for the charger.
My favorite was walking out the door of the UAlaksaFairbanks gym in the winter with a wet swimsuit which would freeze before you could swing it upright...and stay frozen like that til you reached your car or dorm.
Cheng: SpeedoDad definitely would not stand a chance in those temps. But when it did warm up to 30 below, folks would walk around in teeshirts and short pants celebrating the heat wave, so I guess it is all relative.
Do you think they made the polar klickys out of more durable plastic?
Just an idea, Pgal :wave:
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BB: This is hysterical!!!! Can't bear to see my Klickys suffer......
Our bed is king sized (80 x 78 inches), and hubby takes up about 2/3 of it. Not much space in my meager part of the bed for a horde of Klickys. Looks like we gotta come with with Plans B-Z to explore the options. Surely you can dream up 25 other plans as options to Plan A!
Waiting, Pgal :wave:
OOOOPSS! I did forget there are two medium sized drawers under the bed, so I guess we'll have to sleep on top of my Klickys guarding them from your hoards of marauding and invading centurions, knights, grave robbers, bank robbers, special agents, Nuremberg guards, dino adventurers, poachers, cowboys, Indians, astronauts, aquanauts, farmers, royalty of various stripes, renegade police and fire and rescue squads., etc. (I apologize for whomever guys yall collect that I left out of the list of bedroom invaders.)
You caaaaan sacrifice your side of the KING sized bed & sleep on the floor for your poooooor mistreated Klicky's, can't you Pgal? :prays:
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BB: Sometimes you gotta draw a line...and this is one of those times. I quit sleeping on the floor/ground once I could afford a bed/hotel room, and that was decades ago.
I guess I could empty out the contents of the utility/laundry room IKEA cabinets and store my Klickys and favorite PM up there above the washers and dryers. Unfortunately the Italian glass in the doors is opaque rather than transparent. But it is an idea to keep some of the PM inside.
I guess we need to identify and develop the heat resistant Klicky gene and grow a new crop that can handle desert and arctic conditions. Kinda like the airplanes that can fly from Fairbanks to Honolulu in the winter. The difficult part is boarding in a heavy parka and boots and leaving the plane in a muumuu and sandals. This does take some planning. And if your friends fail to show up at the airport in Fairbanks on your return, it used to be a very quick run down the plane stairs into the terminal in your Hawaiian outfit before your froze stiff.
Could we apply this technique to Klickys with winter and summer wardrobes that prevent them from freezing to death or melting? Hummmm, Pgal :wave:
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No can do Pgal :no:! Playmobil is set in their ways. It's up to the RESPONSIBLE adoptors to take care & house their Playmobil children to a standard that is acceptable to the Playmobil community! :hmm:
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BB: hehehe! This sounds like the contents of the letters we receive from our neighborhood Homeowners' Association....are you are on that Board, too! (For those of you in the dark, the HOA tells the homeowners what they can do with/to their homes. Often there is a threat of a fine or legal action if the homeowner does not do what is asked, etc.)
We could call it the KOA, Klicky Owners' Association! Have at it, Pgal :wave:
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Yes mam, I apologise :-[! To sum it up, & back on topic, heat is bad for Playmobil collections! So listen to your Klicky's, they don't want to be subjected to hot atmosphere's! 'ELL NO, WE WON'T GO! 'ELL NO, WE WON'T GO! New protest platform! :)9 Thank you for your support!
http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=9533.msg174233#msg174233
:lol: :lol: :lol:
After one of my occupy protesters saw this thread, the protests had a whole new purpose. Chants of "'ELL NO, WE WON'T GO" could be heard throughout the city! ;)
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BB: hehehe! This sounds like the contents of the letters we receive from our neighborhood Homeowners' Association....are you are on that Board, too! (For those of you in the dark, the HOA tells the homeowners what they can do with/to their homes. Often their is a threat of a fine or legal action if the homeowner does not do what is asked, etc.)
We could call it the KOA, Klicky Owners' Association! Have at it, Pgal :wave:
This could get ugly, Pgal! A convoy of unmarked refrigerated hauling trucks appears in front of your house, several people in dark suits & sunglasses, walk up with a bunch of papers saying they are from the department of Klicky Protective Services, citing they have reports of Klicky's in distress, & they are going to take possession of your entire Playmobil collection, upon them entering your attic with hand trucks & card board boxes,......tiny, tiny screams of jubilation from the oppressed can be heard as the multitude of overheated Klicky's are loaded into the boxes,.....as I said this could get ugly, Pgal! :hmm:
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And are you the head of KPS, BB? Hey, can Chris and I join? We'll help you make up a whole bunch of regulations that provide us ways to swoop down on the homes of other collectors and
steal rescue their entire collections. :evilplan:
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I have always kept /stored my playmos some since 1978 as i was crazy about preserving them and keeping them intqact from the age of 6 i suppose in cool, dry places free of moisture and high temps. I have had some playmos stored in a large shed when i was in the UK for years, rather low temperatures and i suppose lots of moisture on the outside, the shed was not insulated but was very new and no water went ewver though in it. All playmos were fine and as good as new. I dont knwo about extreme temperatures my guess is that they will affect the klickies !!!!
My biggest advice would be to keep and store the playmos in darkness, light affects the color quality and stickers etc etc and i think its the biggest ageing threat to playmobil. All my collections are in dark storage rooms and i think thats a key issue to consider apart from the moistures
I woudl imagine you attic is not that different from my garden shed in the UK . I had all my playmobil boxes and opened ones wrapped in plastic bags and they were all 100% as new when i opened them :)
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George,
I, too, thought that light was the major threat to the PM Kingdom. So they have been protected from light. And our attic is dry, so moisture has not been a problem.
Guess we'll have to deal with the heat problem once we hear at what temp this becomes a problem.
Do you or Tim know anyone at PM HQ who can tell you what is the critical temp for damaging the individual PM pieces? They have to store and transport so many sets in different weather that they must know when heat becomes a problem.
Thanks, Pgal :wave:
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we could run tests on some "volunteers" but then I suppose KPS would be here really quick... :lol:
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we could run tests on some "volunteers" but then I suppose KPS would be here really quick... :lol:
Sir,.....put the Klicky down slowly, & back away! We are authorized to use extreme force if needed,.....again, slooooowly........ P)
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Baron,
I take it that BB's answer was a resounding: "Nooooooooooooooooooo." He sounds armed and dangerous, so I ain't gonna heat test any Klickys in his presence! (I like sleeping in my own bed too much.)
Time for Plan C, Pgal :wave:
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Baron,
so I ain't gonna heat test any Klickys in his presence!
Time for Plan C, Pgal :wave:
OMG! Now a torture test!? Why dont we just start using a hair dryer with a thermometer laying next to a humble innocent Klicky & note the temperature that the test subject starts to scream? :hmm:
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BB: Your Plan C sounds great to me!
How about a hair dryer in each hand? Or maybe just put them in a lingerie bag and tumble
them in the dryer checking the temp and time to see when they melt?
Never heard a Klicky scream before, so this could be interesting, Pgal :wave:
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Do you or Tim know anyone at PM HQ who can tell you what is the critical temp for damaging the individual PM pieces?
I will ask on saturday when i go to playmobil to pick up my western diorama sets , their warehouse manager about this . with some limited knowledge of plastics i think temperatures above 40 deg C could be risky especially if parts are under stress , eg a long spear stored under some significant weight of otehr parts inside a bag, in that case this plastic at temperatures as high as 40-50 deg C might bend slightly permanently ... I will ask the warehouse mgr when i see him on sat though to have a more professional answer and not stupid speculations as i just did
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You can always hold them over a candle flame...or the old magnifying glass to the sun trick, like sid on toy story! :evilplan:
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George,
Thanks! Hope we find out soon how much torture our Kilckys can withstand without bending.
bb: This reminds me of when my four brothers and I used to play with insects as kids....I feel sorry for those poor creatures! Pgal :wave:
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public storage ::)
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public storage ::)
Unless climate controlled, not a good idea either. :-\
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I really would like to know from collectors who have dealt with long term storage, 20+ years. I had it in a barn and the temp. would reach an uncomfortable level. When it did that is when I worried. If there was an optimum safe temp/humidity it would be great to know especially now with all the rubber in the parts. I know that there is silicone you can spray on some plastic to re-hydrate the molecules so it was less brittle. I wonder if there is something that will work on playmobil that will replace what evaporated.
We use plastic cord on some machines and if you store it under water it does not dry out and become brittle. It lasts a lot longer due to being more flexible. I wonder if you were to fill all your bins with water could it have the same effect? ? ? Also the heat would take alot longer to affect the plastic as the heat energy would first have to heat all the water. The cool night would prevail, keeping the toys safer. ;D Good idea hugh, fill them all with water and put them in the attic :lol:
Geobra may know from all the light/heat tests but I have a feeling this is for safety issues not collection storage concerns.
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I wonder if you were to fill all your bins with water could it have the same effect? ? ? Also the heat would take alot longer to affect the plastic as the heat energy would first have to heat all the water. The cool night would prevail, keeping the toys safer. ;D Good idea hugh, fill them all with water and put them in the attic :lol:
If you see your ceilings start sagging,.....RUN! :o
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Ras,
An interesting idea for sure!
As BB mentioned, that is adding a lot of weight to some already heavily loaded floor joists in the attic.
Also I would be concerned about what would be growing in the water and how we would get it off the PM when we did drain them. And if any of the containers started to leak, the sheet rock below would be ruined.
I think we need an answer from a scientific test showing how much heat for how long has what kind of effect. PM may not have this data hoping that their toys self destruct over time so folks have to buy more. The concept is called obsolescence, and it is quite common.
It may be a very long wait for the magic answers, Pgal :wave:
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I'm sure we will never get a scientific answer, but as I have said twice, I had playmobil stored in the attic, in closed plastic tubs, for about five years, and some of it WAS damaged. Some floor and wall pieces were warped/bent/twisted from the heat. And being a kid when I put it up there, there was sticky tack on some pieces, which became permanently melded to it. I'm sure North Carolina attics are not all that much cooler than Louisiana attics, so I think it is not a good idea to put your playmobil in the attic during the summer. I'm not saying it might get damaged, I'm saying in my experience it does get damaged. And definitely do not ever put playmobil in the attic that still has sticky tack on it from being displayed. Hope that answers the question. :wave:
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Q: Is it safe to store PM in an unheated attic?
A: No
I love how we take 6 pages to get to this answer :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damo :)
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Maybe we should lock this topic, & start a poll so everyone can vote on it! :giggle:
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Interesting thread! We can get up to 45 degrees celcius here and I can tell you that Klickies dont much like it. I would love a special storage area...my poor old wardrobe is full of the stuff. I think our roof space would get to over 50 degrees in summer.
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Q: Is it safe to store PM in an unheated attic?
A: No
I love how we take 6 pages to get to this answer :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damo :)
I think you have it backwards, its an uncooled attic that is the biggest problem
a few more pages are required :P
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:lol: Ok then...
Q. Is it safe to store PM in an unheated attic?
A. Yes
Q. Is it safe to store PM in an uncooled attic?
A. No.
Are we at seven pages yet? :lol:
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I think it's just best not to put anything up there at all :lol: :lol: :lol:
Lego is fine. You can put as much Lego as you like up there ;)
Damo :)
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Yeah, who cares if legos get damaged? :lol:
Seriously, though, all of our legoland pirates were in the attic for many years with no damage, and are up there again in fact. So pgal, send the legos to the attic, play with playmobil! ;D
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Up until a year ago I had about 3 big tubs of Lego up in the loft for a good few years, and nothing was damaged
Damo :)
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Yeah, who cares if legos get damaged? :lol:
Seriously, though, all of our legoland pirates were in the attic for many years with no damage, and are up there again in fact. So pgal, send the legos to the attic, play with playmobil! ;D
bb: This is hilarious! Hehehehe, Pgal :love: :love: :love:
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I was storing a lot of things in my ( unheated ) Attic when i was in the UK . My roof was pointy and i could stand up in my attic , wasnt very carefull though and though 90% was boarded there were two squares next to the boiler that werent boarded for easy access to tubes etc etc , only covered with some insulating material etc . Whildst i was moving some boxes full of playmobil ( Steck actually ) i stepped on one of those squares and my leg and I ,went right through , hanging above the stairs that go to the bedroom floor below , i was alobe at the time, the pain was terrible , it took a lot of strength to bring myself up again, I ended up in hospital with cuts and bruises and i was bleeding too , insurance fixed the hole that i created, after than the playmos were moved to the shed as i mentioned previously. Dont like attics much after this accident .... :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
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Ouch! That must have been painful! We have part of our attic floored but not the part over our living room... one day my brother was carrying a big bookcase to put across a couple of beams on the unfloored part, walking balancing on a beam, and he slipped and put both feet through the ceiling, and sat down on the beam! The bookcase landed across some beams and only a corner came through the ceiling.
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Ouch! These are painful stories...just reading them hurts!
BB: Tomorrow we begin loading L containers in the attic....don't worry, no precious Pm will go up there! Thanks for your suggestion about segregating the two families of toys to avoid squabbles between families a la Romeo and Juliet!
Maybe the L use a different type of plastic that might be a bit more durable....who knows. Will probably move them back down into the house before it heats up in the spring.
As I was sorting the L, I saw so many fine Duplo pieces that I wish PM would make for the 123 line because it is really short on accessories. Aaaaaah, Pgal :wave:
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I must admit I like duplos. :-[ I had a duplo dollhouse as a kid, and lately I keep looking at the duplo zoo and trying very hard not to notice how cute it is!
Anyway, I think the legos suffer less damage because of smaller pieces partially. The playmo damage was to long wall pieces and such that warped and twisted. Small pieces do better, except for the yellowing. Btw, I haven't seen any yellowing on my legos, the soldiers forts are still stark white after many years of being in the attic.
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bb: This really made me laugh because I adore my Duplo zoo, too!
However, I am collecting the 123 zoo slowly and like those animals as well.
123 houses and buildings are really cute, too! Do you have the farm? I don't yet.
Will just put L in the attic for now. Hubby did a wonderful job last weekend of adding plywood over the insulation and joists and a rail around much of the edge to keep us from falling through the ceiling and bouncing off the cement garage floor 10 feet below.
Folks: Please make sure you have flooring where you store things and walk in your attic...too many horror stories of fatal and almost fatal injuries caused by folks falling through the floor/ceiling. Pgal :wave:
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I don't have any 123 yet, but it's only a matter of time. :lol:
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"Is it safe to store PM in an unheated attic?"
so it it safe then ?
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:P
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
what was the conclusion then ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol: Ok then...
Q. Is it safe to store PM in an unheated attic?
A. Yes
Q. Is it safe to store PM in an uncooled attic?
A. No.
Are we at seven pages yet? :lol:
I guess this was the conclusion in the end.
The more scientific question should be: at which temperature interval is playmo stable?
Of course humidity, direct sunlight and pressure are assumed comstant. 8-)
:)
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The answer is that being unheated isn't the issue; being uncooled is the problem, so no, it is not safe in the attic.