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General => Brainstorming For Playmobil => Topic started by: cachalote on July 24, 2011, 22:26:28
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:wave: as you probably have seen this new section "imported" a lot of old posts that were scattered all over the other sections of this forum.
as i was the one who suggested this section to sylvia i thought i should also contribute with my time to search for all the "importable" posts.
maybe some of them are still "missing" so, if any of you come up with another one you just have to p.m. sylvia and ask her if she is willing to move it.
a lot of ideas came up on these posts.
it would be a pitty if they were lost and the intention of this new section is to keep them "alive" so that they can be sent to geobra - in whatever way can be found (ideally through "our" board members or through the future collectors club).
so, i am suggesting that we could organize all this ideas a little bit so that they can be easily presented to geobra.
in the next post i am showing an example.
if you all agree, each idea could be posted with the same structure - idea, scenario, what geobra needs, ... - and with a poll associated to confirm (in a way) if it has a lot of support from all of us.
before starting to post ideas in this "way" i would like to receive your input on the "structure" i came up with so that it can be bettered and completed if needed.
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IDEA:
3d online modelling section
SCENARIO:
Members could use a 3d library of PLAYMOBIL parts and finished sets to create virtual sets (or even new parts).
WHAT GEOBRA NEEDS:
It needs to create a virtual library of PLAYMOBIL parts and sets.
It needs to create or to choose (e.g. Google Sketchup - http://sketchup.google.com/) an open and free software to "manipulate" these parts.
HOW GEOBRA CAN BENEFIT:
Computers are today the main entertaining tool for teenagers and young adults.
This pushes them away from "traditional" toys.
To have a strong presence in the "virtual" world will allow playmobil to "call" this group's attention back to its products.
HOW HIS CAN ME MIXED WITH OTHER IDEAS:
This feature can be mixed with contests of customized sets.
It can also be mixed with an archive of sets and parts that could posess links to this section.
Finally, it can be mixed with an on-line shop of "real" parts and sets.
EXAMPLES FROM OTHER COMPANIES:
LEGO in its "design by me" web section - http://designbyme.lego.com/en-us/Default.aspx?icmp=COCreateShareSpotlightUSDBM - has a free lego digital design software (MLCAD, LDraw)
Interestintly LEGO fans share their creations mixing "real" sets with "virtual" ones - http://www.lego.com/en-us/CreateAndShare/Galleries/default.aspx?icmp=COCreateShareSpotlightUSGalleries
The Dutch MECCANO club has a VirtualMEC section that uses a library accessible with a paid software called Simulink - http://www.mathworks.com/products/simulink/?s_cid=global_nav.
HOW THE COLLECTORS CAN HELP:
An adult fan - Sir Pleamo - has already created an extensive library of system-x parts using Google Sketchup.
The result can be seen at http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=5760.0.
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Fantastic idea - I love the layout - very readable.
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:) thank you lindama.
:'( i am kind of sad that nobody seems to care about this matter though.
??? could it be my fault for not presenting this objective with a more enthusiastic "wrap" ?
;) could it be that we are getting "lazy" and "childish" and all we can come-up with are wishes for new sets ?
:no: i hope not.
:) let's see how this moves after the summer vacations.
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cachalote, i think some board members are on vacation right now (it's summer, remember ;))
i think this is a great idea too, maybe some people just feel lazy to revive those topics and put them all together in this new section?
many people are not familiar with that sketchup thing btw...maybe that scares them away?
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:wave: hi luis,
:yippee: i'm also going on vacation tomorrow.
:) thanks for your support.
there's no need to put all the old topics in this new section - i've "fished" them all and asked sylvia to move them here.
... but the objective of this thread was to see if you all agreed with the structure to organize the idea and not to start to post or re-post them immediatly.
i will wait a few weeks and then, if nobody feels the structure i am proposing can be improved i will just start to compile some of the already existing ideas this way.
regarding sketchup - it's not that difficult if you know your geometry.
although i don't use it (i am an autocad man) i felt it was easy for me to understand it.
sir pleamo is willing to help with this and he can even provide a few simple manuals.
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It is actually winter in some parts of the world ;D
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:'( i am kind of sad that nobody seems to care about this matter though.
??? could it be my fault for not presenting this objective with a more enthusiastic "wrap" ?
;) could it be that we are getting "lazy" and "childish" and all we can come-up with are wishes for new sets ?
I doubt it is laziness or childishness and I don't think it is fair to say that. People all have different ways of thinking and posting, so they might not all find it easy to follow this structure you have set down. Please remember that many of our members have very busy lives away from the forum and come here primarily to relax. :)
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:wave: hello sylvia,
:yup: if you look at the smilies that go with my message i am certain that you will feel that your last post was uncalled for.
;) "relax" is a good word.
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Your format is a nice one for a final presentation, but it isn't technically brainstorming.
You might read the Wikipedia entry about Brainstorming Located Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming)
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:wave: hello tiermann,
the format i showed was just intended as an example - the structure, not its contents.
the idea is to brainstorm each "topic" before a "final" mini-document could be produced.
only then i was suggesting that a poll could be run (some of us might not want to post any words in the "topic" thread but can use the poll to silently oppose or aprove what was developed there).
i am sorry if this didn't came clear in myy initial explanation.
:) this way i think we can really "brainstorm".
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Cachalote , propably not my job to comment on your post about laziness but you are way out of line here buddy me reckons :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: . I think its commendable you have all this zeal and energy about playmobil BUT remember there is an ongoing process and communication with playmobil and there are elected members who travel and are in contact with playmobil and really now we have to wait what they come up with as a corporation.
Reference to this braistorming , your proposed procedure is not braistorming by the way but i can undertsand what you are trying to say/ achieve, i think its a very good layoput for presenting an idea for further discussion more like a proposed project charter if you ask me ( these things are part of my daily job ) BUT i cant see the direct benefits of doing all this work and discussions right now, i think it would be innapropriate as we have an on going process and to throw such things to the members playmobil right now i think could jeoprdize this whole project. it would be probsbly too many ideas and confusing, remember big corporations facing raw material prices increases and tough competition and need to change their product line every 1-2 years are probably a tough place to work and the directors / managers already have the task to talk to our elected members and create a collectors club which i am sure will take time and cost for them . Now thats the important milestone. After that is done, set and running and we are part of it after a few months we can discuss potential improvements. We need to see what playmobil comes up with and then let it run for a while and then see how it can be improved and i asure there will be good ideas. BUt to do this now with a format as you propose i dont see the benefit right now and matey i think the approach you follow in prososing these things is a bit too judgmental of others who have worked for this project and you will be putting people off considering seriously your ideas and suggestions etc etc i think its better to have a bit more collaborative approach and take into account we have a elected board dealing with these . I hope you take my commnetary as constructive i think your zeal is commendable as i said earlier but too kuch zeal sometime can destroy rather thna create and keep in mind there are people working on all this , think ratehr that write lots of project charters / discussions etc now , we should let the job ( colectors club ) be done first and then we can see how it can be improved . Just my thoughts on the subject .
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Whatever we call it, "brainstorming," "proposed charter project," or whatever, there is no harm in collecting ideas and discussing them. If anyone from Playmobil even reads what goes on here at Playmofriends (I hope someone does, but who knows?) these are just ideas, thoughts, wishes, desires, etc. I acknowledge the potential for harm to the collectors club if we were bombarding them with these ideas, but we are not. This is an area for discussion among the members of the fan community so all topics about Playmobil should be encouraged.
As to cachalote's proposed structure, personally I like it, but I think that trying to enforce something like that in a loosely organized online community is hopeless. We can end up spending more time working out the structure and keeping people in line with it than we actually spend on generating ideas.
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As to cachalote's proposed structure, personally I like it, but I think that trying to enforce something like that in a loosely organized online community is hopeless. We can end up spending more time working out the structure and keeping people in line with it than we actually spend on generating ideas.
Exactly. Very well said. If anyone wants to follow this structure, they can feel free to do so, but I don't think it should be a requirement. IMO.
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:wave: dear giorginetto,
i am not in any way forcing you (or any other member) to feel this is the time or the place to talk about our past or future ideas that we can offer playmobil.
i have a different oppinion - i think that those of us who feel like it could start to "prepare" these ideas to be presented to geobra.
how and when is not a key issue now.
if the elected members of the ex-pilot group want to take the trouble to send them via their contacts to geobra - that would be fine.
they have done a great job so far (i've said it and thanked them more than once) and i can't see why this section or this thread can be considered "judgemental".
if "we" (all the ones that want to be a part of this) decide that we can send these ideas in the future i think we should feel free to do so.
i could do it alone in a very simple way - by sending an e.mail to geobra.
but i would rather do it together with other playmo-fans (like it was done with the 4-way steck connector).
i guess none of us is really interested in taking credit for each individual idea - i know i am not.
the way i see it all that matters is that geobra can profit from these ideas.
if they want to use them it will also be our profit.
how and when can we build this is not that important now - there's no big hurry.
what is important is that all these wonderful ideas don't get lost and be offered to geobra.
if they want to consider them that's fine.
if they don't, that's fine too.