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Creative => Customs Gallery => Ships & Vehicles => Topic started by: Tim_w on January 21, 2006, 12:06:46
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Hello All
Here is another specialist appliance from my Playmobil Fire Service. This time we have an ALP or Aerial Ladder Platform. In real life most British fire service appliances carry a selection of ladders for general use. Sometimes however for various reasons it is necessary to call on a dedicated appliance with a very long fixed ladder. These ladders usually have a reach of up to100 feet although some American trucks reach a lot higher. The ladder, which has a basket at the end, is mounted on a turntable allowing it to turn through 360 degrees. It is crewed by two fire fighters who are specially trained in its operation.
One of its main uses is to rescue people from tall buildings or to fight fires from high above where it can lay down a high volume of water onto the fire with ease. It can also be used as a lighting platform, observation tower and can assist fire fighters in gaining access down difficult slopes. So as you can see it can be used for a wide variety of tasks and is a valuable piece of equipment.
Playmobil ALP:
My vehicle is based on the chassis of a Playmobil ladder truck. One of the major changes that had to be made was the lengthening of the original ladders. This change makes it stand out considerably when compared to most Playmobil fire engines.
Another important changed is based on the fact that most ALP’s only carry a crew of two meaning the cab is smaller. To represent this I converted the chassis to take the cab from the old dustbin lorry. This allows the basket that has been fitted on the end of the ladder to fold away neatly behind the cab.
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Here is a picture of the basket resting on the ground showing one of the crew ready to climb in. The other crewmember operates the ladder controls from a seat on the turntable. It is also possible to operate the ladder from the basket or the rear of the appliance.
This second picture shows the various controls to operate the ladder and control the water supply. To the right of the picture you can see the pickup where hoses can be connected for the ladders water supply.
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This is a picture showing the stabilizers fully extended and lowered to the ground. Stabilizers help prevent the vehicle tipping over when the ladder is fully raised or operating low to the ground. Underneath the stabilizer leg are spreader plates, which help spread the weight of the vehicle further. A road cone has been placed near each of the legs as a warning to prevent anyone walking into them.
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The last two pictures show the ladder fully extended and the view down from the basket. It is hard to see how tall the ladder actually is from these pictures alone so if I get a chance I will add a size comparison at a later date
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Thank you all for taking the time to look at these pictures. I hope you found the information informative but easy to understand.
Kindest Regards Tim
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Nice photos, and one really long ladder ;D Can the truck tip over if there is more than one klicky in the basket? Or can the stabilizers hold up a basket with two firefighters, some equipment and a wounded civilian? Depends on the angle of the ladder, but can it?
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Wow, Tim, another custom triumph! You really do excel in your field.
I like especially the detail of the handles on the spreader plates and that pump bay at the rear. Though I've toyed with fitting a rear mounted pump, I never thought of fitting it off centre. Maybe that reflects on the difference between us in our customs - you think more "outside the box".
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I'm really amazed by the height that ladder can reach and also surprised that the truck can support it when it's fully extended! :o
Thanks for sharing this with us, Tim. You never fail to impress with the standards you reach with your conversion work. 8-)
I particularly like the photo taken from above showing how high up the basket is in relation to the rest of the vehicle. That klicky must have nerves of steel! ;)
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My questions are similar to Kristian's
With the one black support/brace at the foot of the ladder, How stable is the platform?
What is the max capacity of klickies (or humans) on the platform?
again, another very well thought out, and extremely well executed design.
Meg
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Hello Kristian, Gordon, Sylvia, Meg :wave:
First of all thank you very much indeed for the very kind replies. It is a pleasure to be able to share my fire service pictures with you.
It is very interesting that you have all shown interest in and raised questions as to wether the vehicle will tip over due to the extra length of the ladder. It is certainly going to be interesting experimenting further to find out the answers as i have not fully tested its capabilities yet :). I will go out in the garden tomorrow and try some different combinations and post pictures of the results.
It is worth noting as Kristian pointed out that it all depends on several key factors: weight in basket, angle of ladder and how far it is extended. At the moment it is quite comfortable with the ladder fully extended and raised at its maximum angle. More load and stress will be put through the stabilizers when the ladder is closer to the ground and carrying weight in the basket. The addition of the spreader plates help a great deal because they increase the size of the feet on the stabilizers thus spreading the load further.
To answer your first question Meg the support for the ladder is quite strong luckily :lol:. It still has to be operated with care because when the catch is released the ladder can drop quite rapidly due to its weight.
Thank you for your kind feedback Gordon. The idea to mount the pick up to one side came from a picture showing the rear of a new Hydraulic Platform. I will have dig around in my collection to see if i can find it.
I am glad that you liked the picture showing the view from the ladder Sylvia. The fire fighter in question is certainly very brave having to operate at such heights, especially when sometimes he can be right over burning buildings :omg:.
Kindest Regards Tim :)9
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Wow, quite impressive. :omg: Again a masterpiece, Tim. 8-)
How long is the ladder fully extended?
(I'm also interested in the question, all the others already asked, because I made similiar "experiments" with 3761 crane (http://www.collectobil.com/catalogue/items/3761.htm) which also can be extended to a distinct height, and I also made the experience, that with certain angles, even nothing is hanging on the hook, the complete vehicle skips. But actually I do not have these nice and useful stabilizer plates ;))
I really enjoy your general explanations about the usage of specific features/methods/vehicles/tools in the fire fighting area (especially, because I'm currently looking to extend my collection a little bit by some fire fighter stuff/vehicles, so now I know which is used for what ;D)
I also like the handle at the stabilizer plates. Where are they taken from? (These might become handy for other purposes too.)
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The fire fighter in question is certainly very brave having to operate at such heights, especially when sometimes he can be right over burning buildings :omg:.
When I was with the fire brigade, there were not a lot of occasions when I had to go up an aerial appliance, but if it was a straightforward turntable ladder I didn't really mind. You had on a safety belt which clipped to the top rung of the ladder and the only thing you had to remember was to keep your toes from jutting out too far over the ladder rung. (If you let them stick out too far, you ran the risk of them catching on the rungs of the lower part of the ladder as the section you were on was extended upwards.) It was a bit offputting if it was windy and the ladder swayed about but the actual extending and retracting of the ladder and its movement when swinging round were quite smooth.
The situation where you had a platform to stand on as in Tim's custom or in the case of a snorkel was, stangely enough, different. Everyone thought with having a platform to stand on and a guard rail round it wouldn't be scarey at all, but it was. The platform or cage automatically maintained itself horizontal, but it didn't do this in a smooth fashion. It was programmed to correct itself once it was a given number of degrees away from the horizontal (5 dgerees I think, but it may have been 10), and it corrected itself in a single jerk! Very offputting! :o
Here's a view of what Tim's klicky will see.
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Hello Little Jo
Thank you very much indeed for the kind feedback. I am glad that you find my explenations helpfull. It is quite hard sometimes to explain certain things without getting to complicated. I really can't wait to see some of your future fire service vehicles.
I am really interested in the experiments you did involving the 3761 Crane. Do you have any pictures that you can post on the forum for us ? If you go over to http://www.playmodb.org/ (http://www.playmodb.org/) you should be able to find a picture of the handles i used by typing in part number 30 21 0040.
Kindest Regards Tim
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Hello Gordon
:wow: Thank you very much indeed for the kind and informative addition to my post :)9. The picture is amazing and is a very valuable indeed in demonstrating not only the view a fire fighter gets looking over a fire from such a vehicle but the atmosphere of all those flames below.
I found your post very interesting indeed but this was particularly fascinating the only thing you had to remember was to keep your toes from jutting out too far over the ladder rung. (If you let them stick out too far, you ran the risk of them catching on the rungs of the lower part of the ladder as the section you were on was extended upwards.)
That must have been quite a scary thought even though you were attatched by a safety belt :omg: .
Kindest Regards Tim
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That must have been quite a scary thought even though you were attatched by a safety belt :omg: .
Well, I think you had to have particularly big feet, and it was the sort of thing you only did once!
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Well, I think you had to have particularly big feet, and it was the sort of thing you only did once!
... yes, I assumed, because than the feet have became shorter ... ;D
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... yes, I assumed, because the than the feet have became shorter ... ;D
Nice one, Jo! :lol:
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I am really interested in the experiments you did involving the 3761 Crane. Do you have any pictures that you can post on the forum for us ? If you go over to http://www.playmodb.org/ (http://www.playmodb.org/) you should be able to find a picture of the handles i used by typing in part number 30 21 0040.
Thank you for the hint. Actually the 3178 Fire Support Vehicle -- where this handle is also included -- is on my wish list and probably will be one of my next purchased sets ;D
(Hm, when I look at the part at playmodb in full size and colored black, I'm not sure, if I hadn't seen this in some other set too ... the lower part seems somehow familiar ... but maybe I just mix this up with a quite similiar part from the pirate ship.)
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It also appears in 3070, the rescue SUV.
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Hey Tim,
Thats really cool. I like the control panel for the ladder too. Very detailed. I think I've seen this custom before. I said I was going to get you a picture of a truck like this near me and I never did. :-\ I ll get right on that.
very nice Tim.
Ben
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Hello Ben :)
Thank you very much indeed for the kind feedback it is allways very much appreciated. I had posted several pictures of this particular vehicle before but i had to make several changes since then particularly with the paint work. Infact the whole vehicle had to be re-painted including the ladder. It was at this point i added the controlls for the ladder in at the rear of the appliance. I am looking forward to seeing the picture of the truck you mentioned :)9.
Kindest Regards Tim :wave:
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Hey Tim,
I couldn't get over to the airport to get the picture, but I did find one very similar on this webpage. The truck is from Penn Township fire department and has a bronto skylift on an E-one chassis. I a pretty good sized truck. The one at the airport can reach 135 feet, I think. 8} The picture is at the bottom of this page. http://www.parkvillefire.org/apparatus/ (http://www.parkvillefire.org/apparatus/)
Ben
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Hello Ben :)
Sorry for the delay in replying. Thank you very much indeed for finding a picture of the Aerial and the link to the website :)9. I am just going back to have a look at the pictures of the heavy rescue.
Kindest Regards Tim :wave: