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General => Brainstorming For Playmobil => Topic started by: Rasputin on November 21, 2009, 03:48:09
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Hello All :wave:
I just was a bit curious as to what our members interests might be in the Historical category. You can vote for one and you can not change your answer . The Poll is for 30 days
Asian
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/600/warriorsze.jpg)
Greek
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1916/medusa.jpg)
Maya
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5883/mayasociety.jpg)
Roman
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1875/romegladiator.jpg) (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/romegladiator.jpg/)
Egyptian
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2071/ancientegyptpyramids.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/ancientegyptpyramids.jpg/)
Persian
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5189/persiant.jpg)
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Well this is all fine and dandy if your interests only run to Ancients, but I guess other periods can do their own polls. :lol:
Gepetto
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These are tough choices. All would be good, but I had to pick one:
I would love to see Greek, but I don't know if geobra would take the time and money to do it justice. Here are my top 10 reasons for Greek as a new theme (there is some overlap amongst the reasons):
10. Mythical races. I would love to see Klicky Centaurs. Amazons would be great too. :P
9. Olympics. geobra could make javelin throwers, shot putters, wrestlers, etc. They don't have to be naked.
8. Myths. Similar to what geobra has done with fairy tales, they can make myth sets.
7. Mythical places/settings. Think of it: a labyrinth in Crete with a minotaur roaming it!
6. Gods. I can see Playmobil specials of Zeus, Apollo, Hermes, Ares, Athena, Aphrodite :love:, etc.
5. Heroes. Again, I can see specials of Heracles, Perseus, Jason, etc.
4. Monsters! Medusa! The Hydra! The Cyclops! (A cyclops would be funny. Imagine a giant one-eyed Klicky.)
3. The Odyssey. geobra could modify the Roman ship.
2. The Trojan War. Imagine a walled city! Imagine a giant horse with a very narrow waist!
1. Thermopylae. Would I purchase 300 Spartan hoplite Klickies to defend the pass? Yes, I would!
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Interesting topic, Ras! 8-)
I chose "Asian." Samurai Klickies! :love:
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These are tough choices. All would be good, but I had to pick one:
I would love to see Greek, but I don't know if geobra would take the time and money to do it justice. Here are my top 10 reasons for Greek as a new theme (there is some overlap amongst the reasons):
2. The Trojan War. Imagine a walled city! Imagine a giant horse with a very narrow waist!
I have seen a Playmobil knockoff set that had a Trojan horse that looked pretty good but the quality was atrocious! If it was only for static display it would be fine, still cost about $40 for the set which did include some figures and a wall segment.
Gepetto
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I would be in the absolute minority but I would say Persian :love:
Karim :)
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I would be in the absolute minority but I would say Persian :love:
Karim :)
Not true Karim, because I don't have any attraction to any ancient themes what so ever!
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Not true Karim, because I don't have any attraction to any ancient themes what so ever!
Give it time. Once you see the light that Gepetto mentioned you will get that warm fuzzy feeling and you will be hooked into yet another Theme ;)
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Give it time. Once you see the light that Gepetto mentioned you will get that warm fuzzy feeling and you will be hooked into yet another Theme ;)
I doubt it, Ras! The closest I've come to being tempted is the knight theme!
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Being an ancient theme fan, I think this is a great poll! Here are my thoughts:
Asian: I know other members would love this theme and I think it could be quite spectacular, but I personally have no interest in it. It also wouldn't really work with any of Playmobil's current historical themes.
Greek: I would really like this theme and I think it would be a nice complement to the Roman and Egyptian themes. If Playmobil produced some Greek buildings, it would satisfy Roman fans too. Just imagine the Parthenon, the Trojan Horse, Greek chariots, and a heavy phalanx warrior set!
Roman (expansion): The Roman theme is my favorite theme, partly because I'm fascinated with Rome and partly because I think it's a fantastic looking theme in general. Playmobil did a great job with their initial run when it came to the military and gladiators, but they completely neglected Roman structures, except for the arena. A Roman forum, villa, and temple would be welcome additions to the theme, and I think they could expand the military side to include some green auxiliary soldiers and some black or light blue Praetorians. Playmobil could even further expand the Roman theme to include a Celtic chariot, hillfort, and round hut (which could work perfecdtly with the new African theme too).
Egyptian (expansion): This is among my favorite themes and I think Playmobil did a tremendous job with everything. I can't imagine them doing much more to expand this theme.
Persian: Although I don't think many will choose this, I would certainly like to see a few Persian sets, as they would complement both the Roman and Egyptian themes nicely, not to mention the proposed Greek theme. I'm not sure, however, that I could see an entire theme of Persians.
Maya: This theme, like the Asian theme, could be quite spectacular with a temple and some great klickies. It would also work well with the new Spanish conquistadors in the pirate theme.
So my order of preference would be:
Greek
Roman (expansion)
Maya
Persian
Asian
Egyptian (expansion)
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Can we just have all of them? ;)
My vote was for Romans though since they have the most potential to work with the rest of the line. Some Roman civilian buildings could do double duty as banks or city halls in the Modern or Victorian theme. Just imagine all the parts that one could harvest from these sets to open up building possibilities for System X - railings, windows, cornices, and columns. Yeah, I want a real honest-to-goodness column the same height as the standard wall unit.
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Can we just have all of them? ;)
Brilliant! :yup: ;D
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i also voted for the romans. :-[
not that i wouldn't like to see a different "path". :yup:
the greeks and the persians would be too technically historic i think (a lot of people in this planet would have trouble recognising them).
with the maya (inca / azteca) theme, maybe most of the things we know about their society do not go along easily with a "smile".
the egyptians are a litttle bit like the romans - easy to recognize.
"asian" is a world too simple to define something - where and when in asia?
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I voted to expand the Egyptian theme. The set #4246 makes a great Egyptian home. A few of these would be a small village that can be expanded. Possibly wall sections to enlarge the courtyard around the house. The reason I voted this way is to add Hittites. Not only would this mean more chariots and more troops, but with another house and family that may be combined to make a larger mixed village. The Hittites had a two man heavy chariot plus various troops. Playmobill should have two themes that can be compatable yet give us wargamers troops to game with.
My 2¢ worth...
-- Donmobil
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It's possible to mix the Roman and Egyptians - Antony & Cleopatra & Caesar ...
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Of the choices you gave I'd like to see Greek, but Feudal Japanese would be my #1 choice for a new Historical theme.
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i,ve chose the greek.
But if it was up to me for a new theme..
mm lets see..
Maby harry potter Including the train...
of some mhyts??
GTZ
richard
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i also voted for the romans. :-[
"asian" is a world too simple to define something - where and when in asia?
Exactly my thoughts about an Asian theme. Thank you, Cachalote. Are we talking about ancient Chinese or Japanese? These are two totally different cultures. We don't refer to "ancient European"; we should likewise not lump all Asians into one category. Feudal Japan should be differentiated from Dynastic China.
Or are we talking about India? Or Mongolia?
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Here's my proposal for Playmobil’s “Ancient Theme” continuation
Much like Playmobil keeps the Knight and Pirate themes around and how each evolves (e.g. going from early 19th century pirates and British Napoleonic soldiers to early 17th century Spanish conquistadors), I was thinking that it would be nice if Playmobil did the same for their “Ancient” theme. So far the “Ancient” theme has been comprised of the Romans and Egyptians. The Medieval related Viking theme lasted three years, as did the Ancient Roman theme, however Playmobil decided to carry over the Roman ship, chariot, and soldiers, which I’m guessing were the theme's best sellers, for at least another year. Presumably the entire Egyptian line will follow the same three-year pattern and perhaps Playmobil will decide to keep the Egyptian ship, chariot and soldiers around for at least another year as they did with the Romans. But this “Ancient” theme could last indefinitely by gradually discontinuing a few old and adding a few new sets to it throughout the years, thus keeping it alive, yet consistent in size and very fresh.
Here’s what I propose and dream of (note: timeline is US and UK):
2011: Discontinue the three carryover Roman sets and replace them with a green trimmed Roman ship (new stickers, sail, and parts colors are all that’s needed), a green four-horse chariot with a green trimmed officer (only new stickers and parts colors needed), and green auxiliary soldiers with a new oval shield printing and a cornicen instead of a signifier (only one new part and new parts colors needed). What child and adult wouldn’t want different colored Roman soldiers, chariots, and ships? (Different colored ships certainly work for the pirate theme!)
2012: No changes.
2013: All Egyptian sets are discontinued except for the ship, chariot, and soldiers. A full Celtic theme is introduced. The large set is a Celtic hill fort (wooden palisade, large round hut, domestic accessories, new klickies). The three medium sets are a small Celtic hut with domestic accessories, a partial Stonehenge-like ceremony place with alter and druids, and a Roman watchtower. The smaller sets are a two-person two-horse Celtic chariot, Celtic warriors, and a mounted Celtic noble.
2014: Discontinue the three carryover Egyptian sets and replace them with a Dacian warrior set (with boar warhorn and draco standard) and a mounted Dacian chieftain.
2015: Discontinue the three Roman green sets and replace them with a black trimmed Roman ship (new stickers, sail, and parts colors are all that’s needed), a black four-horse chariot with a black trimmed officer (only new stickers and parts colors needed), and black Praetorian guards with a new scutum shield printing and a aquila instead of the previous signifier and cornicen (only one new part and new parts colors needed). This continues the idea of collectible different colored Roman soldiers, chariots, and ships.
2017: All Celtic sets are discontinued except the chariot, the warriors, and the mounted warrior. A full Hittite theme is introduced. The large set is a stone Hittite fort with distinct and new to Playmobil pointed parapets. The medium sets are a Hittite house with domestic accessories, and a stone Hittite watchtower The smaller sets consist of a three-person two-horse chariot and Hittite warriors.
2018: Discontinue the three carryover Celtic sets and/or the two Dacian sets IF something else is introduced. (Suggestions?)
2019: Discontinue the three carryover Celtic sets and/or the two Dacian sets and/or the three black Roman sets IF something else is introduced. (Suggestions?)
2020: Discontinue the three carryover Celtic sets and/or the two Dacian sets and/or the three black Roman sets If something else is introduced. (Suggestions?)
2021: All Hittite sets are discontinued except for the chariot and warriors. A full Greek theme is introduced. The large set is a Greek temple. The medium sets are a Greek ship and a Greek lighthouse. The smaller sets are a two-person two-horse Greek chariot, Athenian warriors, and Spartan warriors.
2022 and beyond: ?
Thoughts? Can someone suggest Ancient Theme sets for 2018 and beyond?
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:!: I say they go waaaaaay back and do a Neanderthal theme. I think there is real potential in that with caves, skins, wild boars, mammoths, clubs, arrowhead type tools, the first wheels. You could have a cave dwelling, a hunt set, a gathering set, an artist set, a cooking set, a "first tools" set with wheels, pulleys, levers, etc., a predator set, and you could finish the theme with the extinction set ;D
But seriously folks, I think the Romans and Egyptians are a wonderful way to introduce these ancient cultures to young children. However, South America, Asia and Oceania are underrepresented in terms of their ancient civilisations: Zhou, Ming, Han, Inca, Aztec, Mayan and Maiori [not considered ancient rather it is indigenous - like the Native Americans] to name a few. Expansion of current themes would be nice, but I think its also important to expand the entire collection so that all the different ethnicities have at least some inclusion into the PlaymoWorld. (Our own world is getting smaller and today's children will be interacting with other cultures. If Playmobil wants to continue to grow their product in this global economy, they will need to start to cater to many different cultures.** We all know, the more we learn about the history of a people the better we understand their cultural norms.)
In terms of expansion of sets, most people have a threshold of how much they want to spend on these sets. Introducing themes over a 2-3 year period is fine, but there do need to be limits. Investment in an entire theme currently will run [retail] anywhere from $300-$600. Also, 3 years is a very long time in the life of a child. Tastes change, interests change and children [not including any of the playmofriends :-[] do grow out of Playmobil. I think that they ought to introduce/retire a new ancient civilisation every two years. One goes out another comes in.... There are enough ancient cultures to last a couple of decades. When they run out, bring back the first theme anew.
**With regards to specific cultures and marketability, Egyptians are universal - they ought to be a new timeless theme. However, we don't teach about the Persians in elementary school in America. Our 5th grade history books more or less start with the discovery of the new world. We teach about the Aztecs. I think it would be a big risk for Playmobil to try to sell the smaller, more locally influential civilisations globally. Perhaps they should release certain cultures in certain geographic locations. Europe gets the Persians, China gets the Hans, and the Americas get the Aztecs. Food for thought and that's my 2¢, for what it is worth. ;)
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I' ve voted greek, because it would be a total question for me, if PM would come only as Roman and Egyptian but not as a Greek.
Asian would make also a fine choice : Samurai, Shoguns, Ninja, all would be great for giant battlefields , for relaxation Geisha, even if you really want a monster in it as well: Godzilla, Modzilla, ...
And it would have also a link to the Spanish conquistadors, Marco Polo, Columbus (think boats,ships, silk, spices, buddha statues, ...)
Another theme could be The Italian Renaissance, the days of Assassin's Creed to speak, The doge, Milan, Venice (boats, gondoliers), Firenze ...
Seems they can go all the way as well with the Musketeers, the Louvre, ...
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I've voted Greek.
I think Klickus Mobilus gave a great list of reasons why. Like him I love the mythology of the period, fancy recreating Hercules or Jason and the argonaunts adventures, as well as the great Spartan armies. It would be wonderful.
I also liked the Idea of the Mayans with their temples but I think it might end up being a very small range compared to the Greek possibilities. that and i always think of blood sacrifice with them! >:D
I'm also a fan of the Oriental theme both Chinese and Japanese, Terracotta warriors or Samurais? What beautiful looking armies and the buildings would be amazing.
How about the wonders of the world range?
They could be special items to complement the existing and new ranges.Not only the original seven but a few other incredible structures as well maybe.
I'd love to see the Parthenon and the Trojan horse, the Hanging Gardens and Himeji Castle.
Emma
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I have voted for Greek and -guess- i am greek ;D ;D ;D ;D
The statues and pillars of the roman arena is what i like to think as a prelude of things to come. Would love to see Spartans and Athenians and Corinthians and Thiebians all with ther dinstincive colours and helmets , shiny silver and gold armour , philoshopher's , athenian homes, agora - shops etc etc
Apart from that , from the new themes such as the dragon sets and the jungle sets it is clear to me that playmobil has a more in tuned with today's trends approach .. in line with this i thing the Greek theme could do well, e .g they could make a hercules and monsters and his 12 trioumphs etc etc . lots can be done here , greek history is vast ;D ;D
PM i can be your consultant historian free of change for a few thousand klickies ..... :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
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I'm looking forward to the "Hercules and the Augean Stables" playset! 8}
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I'm looking forward to the "Hercules and the Augean Stables" playset! 8}
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Simply civilian Romans (including houses, and tabernae ;D ) will do, thanks! :xholly:
Gus
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About asian...
Check this out
http://www.macgayverplaymobil.be/0000%20Wolfsburg%202009/0013%20china.htm
this look really nice...
Richard